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Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr

Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 2:01 pm
by yithril
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[go]$$Wcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 9 X . . . . . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Okay I need to play something unorthodox here in hopes of a good result. The reason is:

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[go]$$Wcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X 3 . . . . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O 1 . . 5 . . . X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't know if this is a joseki (or if there are any josekis for this shape) but this looks like a normal sequence and it doesn't invite any complication. It reduces Blacks influence a bit so that's good but that's a large corner to hand to Black.

As for the crosscut, it depends how he responds.

Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr

Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 2:20 pm
by Chew Terr
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[go]$$Wcm11 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . 0 X O . . . . . . . X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



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[go]$$Wc Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . 2 B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . 3 X O 7 9 . . . . . X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . 5 4 6 8 . 0 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This was my first read, and it looked okay... However, then I started looking at the below:
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[go]$$Wc Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 6 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 3 5 . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X 1 . 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X 2 . . . . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . O X O O O . . . . . X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . O X X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This scared me, but '4' seemed to be the problem, so I looked into alternatives.
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[go]$$Wc Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 9 3 4 . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X 1 5 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X 2 6 8 . . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . O X O O O . . . . . X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . O X X X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Obviously, this looks even worse. Then I remembered that this starting move was atari-atari, and that Janice Kim says the pinwheel shape is good from crosscuts. So I'm moving my weaker stone in the direction that best allows D7 to support it. Cursory reading makes this look pretty good, but I exhausted myself reading the bad atari-move that I almost played instinctively...

Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr

Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 2:30 pm
by hyperpape
Would it be too meddling to remind Chew that he can come back to the position later if he gets fatigued?
Chew Terr wrote:Cursory reading makes this look pretty good, but I exhausted myself reading the bad atari-move that I almost played instinctively...

Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr

Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2011 11:49 pm
by yithril
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[go]$$Wcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Black played the correct move, ("yay"), and now I'm gonna have to pull off some strange stuff to make this work.

Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 7:32 am
by Chew Terr
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[go]$$Wcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O 3 . . . . . . X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I strongly considered doing this set of moves without the atari, but eventually decided that the atari just made me more comfortable with those corner stones. Part of me is terrified of moves like B2, but I still feel like I'll PROBABLY come out of this okay. Scary, though...

Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 12:20 pm
by yithril
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[go]$$Wcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . . . X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I might resign super early this game :) This will most likely end up as a ko. Also, he should've just captured my stone.

Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2011 1:08 pm
by Chew Terr
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[go]$$Wcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . . . X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Wcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 0 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . 9 8 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O 7 . . . . . X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 0 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 2 X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 3 X O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | 9 O X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 8 O O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | 7 X X O O O . . . . . X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . 5 6 X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Obviously, this doesn't work for white, if it played all the way out. As a result, either 1) he will play entirely unexpectedly or 2) he will play to prioritize the left side, which will either sacrifice the bottom stones, or will let me stabilize and hopefully attack one side or the other. A lot of moves I show here seem really blatantly poor in shape, but they do seem to keep the pressure on. I'll try to keep looking at this position, but I'd like to get this move in first. I doubt W can easily give up those two stones (giving me a big wall facing the bottom middle) but this makes my corner's life easier. Basically, this reading is just to show myself 'Okay, I have enough strength here that I think I can be aggressive.'

Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr

Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2011 10:46 pm
by yithril
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[go]$$Wcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 7 . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O . . . . . . X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


There are no other options. If I extend I basically say "Kill my other stones please!"

Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:20 am
by Chew Terr
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[go]$$Wcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . . , . . O X . X O . . |
$$ | . X X O O 8 . . . . . X X O X . O . . |
$$ | . . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Ouch, obviously didn't see that. I could try to save both sides, but I think I'd be too thin. If I tried to block, white could play here, which threatens to cut. Defending that would let him start getting out with his other group as well, and then I'd be like a child chasing after butterflies: unlikely to catch any, and all too likely to stumble and fall while not watching. The biggest downside to this move that I see is that white gets a ladder-breaker, but I don't see a more clean option for capture.

Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:23 am
by Kirby
Chew Terr wrote:...


...If I tried to block, white could play here, which threatens to cut. ...


@Chew:
Were you referring to this board position?
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[go]$$Wcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
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If so, did you rule out the black play at 'a' as a bad option?

Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr

Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 8:28 am
by Chew Terr
Kirby:
Holy blindspots Batman :batman:, I entirely spaced the fact that the cut would be atari. TDK fighting sense for the... hopefully not a loss~ I expect a play on the left which will fix this issue for him anyways (potentially after the ladder-breaker?, but if he doesn't, I'll try to remember that atari...

Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr

Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2011 5:01 pm
by yithril
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[go]$$Wcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
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$$ | . X X O O X . . . . . X X O X . O . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well the bottom is no man's land now. I don't expect him to give up sente and take here, but it'd be nice if he did.

Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 7:28 am
by Chew Terr
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[go]$$Wcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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[go]$$Wcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I kind of liked these two points: one prevents the left being built while my top left corner is harrassed, and the other disables ladder breakers (at the cost of a peep) while working on building the bottom. The top left seemed a little more urgent, so I'm taking it. Stability and points, sounds all right. Sadly not a TON of points, but a handful. Also, from here, I can threaten to save that left-side stone, but that's small for now, it feels like.

Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:30 am
by yithril
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[go]$$Wcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


His last move was pretty good. I dunno, I gotta play something here after the fiasco at the bottom. As you can see, I'm not good at giving handicap :)

Re: Yithril vs. Chew Terr

Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:35 am
by Chew Terr
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[go]$$Wcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Ack, this shape is always scary. I really don't want to have to give up my right-side stone, but I can't confidently and safely link to it. I'm going to see what I can do here, but it looks like I'll at least get reduced. I may be best off taking influence here like this, and then invading the top. It might not be much worse than if he took my R17 corner, anyways...