Life In 19x19

Mike Novack wrote:
Yes,
And bloosqr, stop responding in terms of "real" rank. You should have noticed that I was specifying the rank basis. That's how we should be talking, simply saying what we mean when we give a number. It's not that I consider KGS "real" rank but what you are doing is like insisting that Centigrade is more "real" temperature than Kelvin when what is required is to specify which is being used.

Hey apologies that wasn't me.. but it was my fault. I mangled the quote recursion when I replied to a message so it looked like me. Just went back to fix it.

Maybe Darkpolarbear is referring to this free program:


Igowin Software Download

Igowin is a 9x9 free version of Many Faces of Go. Play go against the computer with great graphics. It keeps track of your record and playing strength and has an on-line manual with history of go, where to buy books and equipment, etc. It includes the Go Tutorial from The Many Faces of Go, so it is a good program to give a beginning go player. It plays competitively from 25 Kyu through 6 Dan, so stronger players will enjoy it as well. It learns from its mistakes, so every game is different.

Mike: there's an igowin for the pc: http://senseis.xmp.net/?Igowin. I've used it before.

hyperpape wrote:Mike: there's an igowin for the pc: http://senseis.xmp.net/?Igowin. I've used it before.

You mean this:

"Igowin (for Windows) is a 9x9 go program that uses a weak version of the 1998 engine from The Many Faces of Go vers.10. It's considered to be a nice, fairly easy introduction to Go. You can get it free at David Fotland's page: [ext] http://www.smart-games.com/igowin.html. "

There were no MCTS go playing programs in 1998. ManyFaces 10 was before ManyFaces 11 and even that wasn't MCTS based (Manyfaces 12 was the first).

It is common for software sellers to do this, give away old versions free. Nothing wrong with that and old versions and/or greatly reduced price and these free version might be all that a relative beginner needs. But don't make judgements about the strengths/behaviors of the current versions of the software based upon the versions being given away for free.

What would help when people want to talk about what a program does or doesn't do is besides the name of the program always include the version information.