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Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle

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Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle

Posted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:42 pm
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | . X X O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . 2 O X O . . , . O . |
$$ | . . . 1 . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]


Didn't expect this ... I suppose I should work out what I'm doing now.

Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:01 pm
by Dusk Eagle
Take your pick, if you want either one. It probably won't make a difference, but I just want to see how you play before I tenuki.

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[go]$$Bcm23 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 2 O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | . X X O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . . , . O . |
$$ | . 1 3 X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | 2 X X O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . . , . O . |
$$ | . 1 3 X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]

Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:26 pm
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm21 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | 6 X X O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . . , . O . |
$$ | . 3 5 X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]


That sounds like I probably shouldn't :w26:, so I'll do it anyway and see what you have up your sleeve :)

Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:45 pm
by Dusk Eagle
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[go]$$Bcm27 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . . , . O . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]

No, I don't really have anything planned for that group ;-) .

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + a b O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . . , . O . |
$$ | c X X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]

It's interesting how a black play at 'a' or 'b' takes away white's eye there, but I really don't have any way to use that right now as he can still easily make two eyes. However, he doesn't have the hane at 'c' as after the block and connect, I could play at 'a' or 'b' and set up simultaneous capture.

Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle

Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 2:25 pm
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm27 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . . , . O . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]


Oh, phew :) Time to not die somewhere else then I hope!

Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle

Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:32 am
by Dusk Eagle
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[go]$$Bcm27 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . . , . O . |
$$ | . X X X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]

Let's get messy. For science.

Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle

Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:37 am
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm27 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . . , . O . |
$$ | . X X X 4 . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]


FOR SCIENCE!

Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle

Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:47 am
by Dusk Eagle
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[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . . , . O . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]

This move is for life, liberties, and happiness (in that if I don't play it, my group won't have much of any of them).

Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle

Posted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:50 am
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm31 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X . . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . 2 , . O . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]


This move is for pony! (I'm sorry if no-one gets the reference :P)

Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 1:35 pm
by Dusk Eagle
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[go]$$Bcm33 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X 1 . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]

Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 3:35 pm
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm33 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X 1 . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . 3 2 , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X 4 . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]

Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle

Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:57 am
by Dusk Eagle
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[go]$$Bcm33 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . 5 . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]

Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle

Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 8:59 am
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm33 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . 6 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . 5 . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]

Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle

Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:17 am
by Dusk Eagle
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[go]$$Bcm33 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . 7 O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]

One of my impressions on this game is that it isn't any harder to visualize outcomes in Redstone than in Go, but because I have a lot more experience with Go than this it's easy to overlook moves that work in this game but are ludicrous in Go (and also to play moves that work in Go but don't in Redstone). For example, if black plays at the point below he captures two stones, but it took me a while to see this because I wasn't expecting it.
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | . X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O 1 O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]

Re: Redstone - Topazg vs. Dusk Eagle

Posted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:28 am
by topazg
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[go]$$Bcm33 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-2
$$ -------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . X . |
$$ | + . . O X X X . X O . |
$$ | . O O X O . O , . O . |
$$ | 8 X X X O . . . O . . |
$$ | . 9 7 O . . 0 . . . . |
$$ | . X O . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . X O , . . . , O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . X . . X . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -------------------------[/go]
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