Life In 19x19

yoyoma wrote:2 games in 6 months is tiny, we agree.

But only 1 random person made a false accusation against you, I think that is an equally tiny number. So I would not change my behaviors to try to please a tiny group of people who make such false accusations. In fact you are changing your behavior to try to please this tiny group, but KGS admins are explicitly asking you not to behave that way. You can't please everyone, but you choose to displease the KGS admins?

My two games have an impact spread over perhaps 20,000 players or however many have an active rating on KGS. That's a player impacted by player ratio of 1:10,000. The one person making an accusation on me has a 1:1 impact, and is directed confrontationally at me, rather than happening outside of my experience and knowledge. They aren't at all "equivalently small".

There are also wider implications. Effectively, KGS is advocating a policy that if you are offended or unhappy with your opponent, the correct response is just to walk out on the game. Not only do I think this behaviour rather rude, but it effectively allows people to sandbag by leaving won games claiming to be offended by the opponent not saying have a good game, or by their avatar, or whatever they feel like being offended by. Conversely, it allows people who find overplay really rude to walk out on a game they were winning but where they got ripped off badly by an overplay, claiming their opponent was rude. Technically, this behaviour is in line with KGS policy, which just seems a bit perverse to me.

The irony is, if it happens lots, you end up effectively resigning each game in this manner, just like the policy was designed to prevent.

A further irony is the fact that true habitual escapers don't have any unfinished games in their record, as by that point they are all automatic forfeits anyway (although if I'm honest I don't know whether or not these are W+F or something instead of W+R).

topazg wrote:My two games have an impact spread over perhaps 20,000 players or however many have an active rating on KGS. That's a player impacted by player ratio of 1:10,000. The one person making an accusation on me has a 1:1 impact, and is directed confrontationally at me, rather than happening outside of my experience and knowledge. They aren't at all "equivalently small".

Intentionally resiging won game has relatively big imapact on you and your opponent, smaller on other opponents of you both and minimal effect on other players. So it isn't spread equally across 20 000 people.

topazg wrote:…but it effectively allows people to sandbag by leaving won games claiming to be offended by the opponent not saying have a good game, or by their avatar, or whatever they feel like being offended by.

Or they can just play intentionally badly. The system can't prevent this → if you think you saw sandbagger, just tell admins and they will ban him from playing ranked games.

topazg wrote:(although if I'm honest I don't know whether or not these are W+F or something instead of W+R)

Yup, it's marked as W+F.

Sorry, but I'm not getting this. If I am playing against somebody who is abusing me, surely I am entitled to walk out, call the referee (admin), and get it dealt with. Also, if I manage to click on the 1-1 point, my opponent refuses to undo, I feel entitled to walk out. They're just violated the whole culture of respect...

Also, I've yet to see a sandbagger actively escaping to lower his rank.

topazg wrote:There are also wider implications. Effectively, KGS is advocating a policy that if you are offended or unhappy with your opponent, the correct response is just to walk out on the game. Not only do I think this behaviour rather rude, but it effectively allows people to sandbag by leaving won games claiming to be offended by the opponent not saying have a good game, or by their avatar, or whatever they feel like being offended by. Conversely, it allows people who find overplay really rude to walk out on a game they were winning but where they got ripped off badly by an overplay, claiming their opponent was rude. Technically, this behaviour is in line with KGS policy, which just seems a bit perverse to me.

The irony is, if it happens lots, you end up effectively resigning each game in this manner, just like the policy was designed to prevent.

A further irony is the fact that true habitual escapers don't have any unfinished games in their record, as by that point they are all automatic forfeits anyway (although if I'm honest I don't know whether or not these are W+F or something instead of W+R).

topazg wrote:I have known someone who started a new account because he had enough games in his list that he was marked as an escaper even though he wasn't the one doing the escaping.

This is strange. According to KGS Escaper FAQ:

A person who leaves a lost game instead of resigning is an escaper.

So if he didn't leave any of unfinished rated games he may have number of them in his list without being marked as escaper.