Life In 19x19

Joaz Banbeck wrote:

jts wrote:Joaz's analogy reveals its own limits. The beefy guys in front of nightclubs ... do not do is wander around the club, evaluating people on their knowledge of fine alcoholic beverages, on the urbanity and wit of their conversation, or on their dancing...

True. Such decisions are best when they are simplest. The more complex the decision and the finer the metrics of evaluation, the more effort it takes. There is a diminishing rate of return for that extra effort.
So there will always be a margin of error in the bouncer's judgement. And there will always be someone who hates him for it.

Good luck, Stalkor.

As a nightclubowner i feel i have an obligation to my visitors to give them a good time. Not having a bouncer and needing to call the cops for minor incidents is whats the problem.

Just imagine that a visitor starts harrassing ppl or is mad and starts breaking things. its getting ugly fast and you need action now. Calling the cops takes a couple of minutes or longer and he could do lots of damage, so a bouncer is a good middleway to cope with these kinds of things ad hoc.

xDragon wrote:

jts wrote:Are apostrophes also elitist?

im glad im not pathetic enough to go after peoples punctuation.

Agreed, this swipe was out of line, after all, hard to apostrophe without a shift key...

HKA wrote:

xDragon wrote:

jts wrote:Are apostrophes also elitist?

im glad im not pathetic enough to go after peoples punctuation.

Agreed, this swipe was out of line, after all, hard to apostrophe without a shift key...

Wait, you can totally apostrophe without a shift key. Maybe better: "Glad to see you streamlining your arguments by removing the yoke of the grammatical oppressors"

EDIT:

(Just speaks more subtly toward his martyr complex)

mostly why i didnt respond, to see how many people were stupid enough to not notice you dont need the shift key to make an apostrophe

the more you insult my grammar or punctuation, the better i feel because you have absolutely nothing to refute my argument and have to resort to how i typ eto get a cheap insult in.

i guess i shouldnt go to congress this year as theres so many sad people with sticks up their asses in the go community.

im kind of sad by both your attitudes here in this pretty serious thread. go play in the off topic part of L19 and call eachother out there because if what you guys said wasnt off topic then i dont know what is.

ill say here what i say when i have trolls in the ASR: "DON'T FEED THE TROLLS, don't provoke them, don't talk to them, IGNORE them entirely!"

(or i could chat ban them, but alas i don't have that option)

i've been thinking, isnt this also a handy thing to do for managing public lectures or the like?

I think you can kick people if you are doing a demo, but IDk how

stalkor wrote:i've been thinking, isnt this also a handy thing to do for managing public lectures or the like?

Moderated chat (Quiet mode) can be enabled with Ctrl+M in a demonstration or teaching game

Just to provide another example of the chilling effects of admins who have been given broad, vaguely defined powers:

Several users, including the admin "UnclMartin", were having a very silly chat of no redeeming value, other than creating a pleasant social atmosphere in the EGR. At this point one of the participants referenced some pop music, to which another replied, "[Popular musical artist] makes me want to kill myself." At this point a third person said, "Suicide is never funny", as though someone had just told a suicide joke, and started a small debate between several people, including UnclMartin, about the seriousness of suicide, which UnclMartin ended by reverting to bold and stating that he would ban anyone who joked about suicide.

I think this episode, which I forgot to copy for your perusal, shows elements of what we've been talking about.
1. Several users, including an admin in this instance, creating a casual, jokey atmosphere.
2. A drama queen getting exercised about a very common idiom.
3. A civil debate about whether the idiom is offensive or not.
4. One of the participants in the debate suddenly shifting from "partner in debate" to "boss man" and declaring that language which most people would never have dreamed was offensive, is in fact forbidden and merits a ban.

This is not to cast aspersions on UnclMartin, who I'm sure is very nice and all that. It's just that sometimes participating in the chat in KGS feels like a cross between a tea party with the Red Queen and a state dinner with Bashar al-Assad: you never know who or what is going to get punished next, because the large gap between protected and permitted activity leaves no room for security.

jts wrote:It's just that sometimes participating in the chat in KGS feels like a cross between a tea party with the Red Queen and a state dinner with Bashar al-Assad: you never know who or what is going to get punished next, because the large gap between protected and permitted activity leaves no room for security.

This is very accurate. In practice the best thing is just to enjoy this. Chatting on KGS is always dangerous and there's a degree of fun in the diplomacy required to do it and not get banned. Of course this is far from the intended friendly atmosphere, but such is life. Hopefully that other server currently in development will do better - I don't believe it's possible for KGS to change.

I'd have to agree with UnclMartin when the subject digresses to a subject which is not very family oriented. I'd hate to find out that some young kids did something stupid because a bunch of adults joked about certain subjects which gave the kids the wrong impressions. Especially in the case of this subject, prevention is much better than crying over spilled milk.

tchan001 wrote:I'd have to agree with UnclMartin when the subject digresses to a subject which is not very family oriented. I'd hate to find out that some young kids did something stupid because a bunch of adults joked about certain subjects which gave the kids the wrong impressions. Especially in the case of this subject, prevention is much better than crying over spilled milk.

On the other hand, anyone who is on KGS (or L19 for that matter) has access to ...the internet. A tasteless joke or a naughty word is hardly eyebrow raising, as anyone who has googled Santorum can surely attest. Policing the internet is a pretty fruitless endeavor. Troubled people are better served by open discussion than by censorship.

I'm sure the admins and moderators of KGS (or L19 for that matter) are more interested in making sure that their respective parts of the internet are not the cause of or contributors to any unnecessary mishaps. They are not responsible for policing the rest of the internet.

What I find somewhat interesting is that the go community is so concerned with making everything super appropriate for young kids. They are for sure using more vulgar language with their friends anyway. It doesn't need much for someone in the chat to always start with "watch the language, there might be kids here". Although it hardly changes the experience for me, I don't see it as our responsibility to keep the chat oh, so joyfully politically correct at all times.

The admins should just make it clear what we can expect. Admins can ban everyone on a whim if they feel like it, and they also have every right to do so. We, the users, don't have any rights there (unlike e.g. this forum makes it look like) unless the owner of the service mercifully grants them to us. Also, the admins shouldn't feel the need to go down on the level of the average member who was banned and each time to carefully explain the reasons thoroughly - this makes it common practice to challenge the admins, leading to these discussion on L19x19...

So, power to the admins, or something, but let adults be adults if you ask me

(Maybe slightly off topic, but oh well)