Page 3 of 16
Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:26 am
by Magicwand
$$Wcm21 Prisoners: none
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm21 Prisoners: none
he went high??? should have been low considering his advantage.
my optimal play should be protecting my left and give him bottom but..that only works in even game...
i will leave my weakness and attack to ride the wave.
my
looks bad on below picture.
$$Wcm21
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm21
Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:18 am
by topazg
$$Wcm21 Prisoners: none
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm21 Prisoners: none
In seriousness, my plans:
$$Wcm21 Prisoners: none
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm21 Prisoners: noneI need to think if this is heinously unreasonable or not.
Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:13 am
by Magicwand
$$Wcm21 Prisoners: none
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm21 Prisoners: none
Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 11:38 am
by topazg
$$Wcm21 Prisoners: none
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm21 Prisoners: none
Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:28 pm
by Magicwand
$$Wcm21 Prisoners: none
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm21 Prisoners: none
Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:15 pm
by topazg
$$Wcm21 Prisoners: none
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm21 Prisoners: none
Going ahead with my plan. Playin the 3-4 in the corner allows him to make
too valuable I think with an outside wall he can build. I am doing fine on corners now, I don't need a small last one to give him more outside thickness yet again, that's not the way of a nicely balanced game.
Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:24 pm
by skydyr
Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:30 pm
by topazg
@skydyr:
3-3, yes, and rejected for the same reasons - I don't want to encourage White to build outside thickness.
I'll be honest, I didn't look at the 5-3. My gut feeling is that encourages the following:
$$Wcm21 Prisoners: none
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm21 Prisoners: noneWhich, whilst stable, doesn't put the pressure on
I'm hoping to do. I haven't read the full continuations out in enough detail, but I'm happy with both:
$$Wcm21 Prisoners: none
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm21 Prisoners: noneThis, creating a relatively hard to attack group whilst putting Black under a lot of pressure, and:
$$Wcm21 Prisoners: none
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm21 Prisoners: noneThis, allowing White some stability at the cost of giving me some reasonable play in the corner. I need to read the aji at "a" carefully before playing the kick though.
Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:00 pm
by Magicwand
$$Wcm21 Prisoners: none
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm21 Prisoners: none
Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:06 pm
by topazg
Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 5:21 pm
by Magicwand
was it a overplay??? no!
i thought about other options and didnt like them.
option 1
very easy to stablize black group.
$$Wcm21 Prisoners: none
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm21 Prisoners: noneoption 2
same...too easy for black.
$$Wcm21 Prisoners: none
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm21 Prisoners: nonesince i already have influence...i can get away with this funny move...
more influence i build...my influence will grow exponentally.
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 6:58 pm
by EdLee
Just take cash? 4th line territory, not too shabby?
$$B
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$B
Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand
Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 7:42 pm
by topazg
Initial reactions are obvious:
$$Wcm21 Prisoners: none
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm21 Prisoners: noneIt's a contact play, and ignoring it with his stones around sounds like a good path to pain. "b" I don't particularly like. It's splitting White from his corner stone, but that's a big gap and the stone is on the 4th line, so there's nothing severe enough about it, and it doesn't get any points. "a" on the other hand starts to make points, settles my group, and allows a really large corner slide:
$$Wcm21 Prisoners: none
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm21 Prisoners: noneSo this is winning comfortably out of those two choices. I toyed with some other ideas:
$$Wcm21 Prisoners: none
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm21 Prisoners: noneThese were the main two, being prepared to sac
for attacking
in the hope there's still plenty of aji left in the corner. But, it feels convoluted and could get complex, as well as potentially giving magicwand a really big lower right corner. The whole reason for considering alternatives was because I didn't want to give magicwand thickness again, but I can't really avoid that. I think my purpose instead should be to gain enough profit that the thickness is insufficient to catch up the points difference. I think I'm pulling a fairly decent points lead right now, if I can extend that further, and keep my groups stable, I can turn the game into "don't let magicwand make too many points" which is more in my comfort zone.
Will post a move tomorrow.
Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 8:42 am
by topazg
$$Wcm21 Prisoners: none
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm21 Prisoners: none
Ok, I'm set. This offers much more stability to Black - it's not 4th line territory despite appearances because of the low position of
, but I should get some points from it. To be honest, I can't see how this position can favour White even locally, let alone globally:
$$Wcm21 Prisoners: none
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm21 Prisoners: noneWhich makes me suspicious that maybe White is planning on omitting
, and using the aji of
to resist after I hane:
$$Wcm21 Prisoners: none
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm21 Prisoners: noneHoping that the cut at "a" is now harder for Black to resist with
on the board. Thing is, I'm not convinced, and I think this could be even worse for White, but magicwand must have a plan, and he does like the whole "tenuki for seizing initiative" thing, so I'm keeping my eyes out for something like this.
Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand
Posted: Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:46 am
by Magicwand
$$Wcm21 Prisoners: none
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcm21 Prisoners: none
looks bad on below picture.
too valuable I think with an outside wall he can build. I am doing fine on corners now, I don't need a small last one to give him more outside thickness yet again, that's not the way of a nicely balanced game.
for attacking 
, and using the aji of