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Re: The AGA makes me sad.

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daniel_the_smith wrote:http://www.usgo.org/board/election.html

I would be wiling to give it a shot. I live in the Chicago area and have been running a club here for a number of years.


Actually, I just read this specification: "Any member affiliated with an AGA Chapter may nominate any full AGA member to be a director to represent the region in which that chapter is located."

I can nominate someone for the Western region position or the At Large position, but I can not nominate you for the Central region. If you want to be nominated for the At Large position PM me your contact info, but it would be better to get one of your chapter members to nominate you for the Central region position which is currently open.
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oren wrote:I nominate Redbeard for west!

Thanks, but as I said above:
Redbeard wrote:I personally do not have the time or inclination to sit on the AGA board
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I'm sure I could arrange for that, unless there's someone else here from the central region (which oddly includes states such as AZ) who wants to nominate me.
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I would volunteer, but I'm not a very political person :)
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Forgive me if I sound a little mysterious, but I know several volunteers who are thinking about tenuki-ing from AGA because of lack of leadership and communication. I'll leave it there as I do not want to wade into this much further.

We need volunteers, yes, but we also need leader who can work well with volunteers. Without a leader who understands importance of working with volunteers, we cannot sustain level of reliable volunteers who will serve in and out, and behind the scenes.
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Re: The AGA makes me sad.

Post by seigenblues »

Hello!


This is a very interesting conversation! For myself, i have more than a few horses in the race:

1) I'm one of the co-directors of Go Congress 2011, and a relatively "new volunteer" who, other than starting a (moderately successful) college club, has had very few interactions with AGA leadership over the years. This means that I want, and more importantly, need the AGA to have a strong volunteer corps that can be called on to help make 2011 the best damn congress ever. As an east-coasty who is volunteering to co-direct the LA congress, that gives me an interesting perspective on the "Congress as a traveling training circus" vs. "create national specialists" discussion. Suffice to say that i do *not* think the second is universally better, nor do i think that the first is necessarily virtuous either -- there's a lot to be said for the last two opens starting on time.

2) As for the AGA's discussion to not pay TDs, the discussion is fairly moot -- to my understanding, the budget at this years congress has been stretched to the breaking point, and the option of paying US Open TD's was not really feasible. Since I'm not involved, I'm not gonna comment on that except to point out that pwaldron's point on the three different issues of "compensation" create very different situations.

However, the troubling aspect is the comments in the board's minutes suggesting that this was the board stepping in to Congress director's relationship with their volunteers. Congress directors can't do their jobs with the board second guessing their decisions (and again, i have a vested stake in this argument :)

More importantly, this isn't really something they can prevent: If I want to compensate our TD's in 2011, I'll find a way to do so if i have to do it out of my own pocket or otherwise put it "on the side". If the board is using this to make an official stance on the "train national operators" vs. "encourage local development" issue, well, it seems like the wrong way to do it. Saying you can't do something nice for someone is about as effective as stamping your foot and telling someone not to say thank you...just doesn't make sense.

3) I'm also -- much like KA the HKA -- fairly disappointed in the state of face to face go in the 'states. As a result, I've put my hat in the ring for election to the AGA's Board, as of this past weekend. I'd encourage people with similar disappointment in the AGA to redouble their efforts to improve it, beginning with encouraging a sense of accountability & urgency in the Board. HKA's point is really quite important -- if this community is important to us, we're going to have to step up to keep it and make it grow, and there ain't no one but us who can do it.

(since typing this up, it looks like a few others are thinking of volunteering to run! Hooray!)



Lastly, i'd like to tip my hat to Chris Sira, Jeff Shaevel, & Phil Waldron, who've done an exemplary job in performing all of their duties, and i look forward to seeing them do all they can. The tournaments they have run have all been an absolute joy to play in.
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Violence wrote:My apologies.

Abramson said the older members like to keep the consistent PO Box out of tradition.


In earlier transcriptions of the minutes, I recall Mr. Laird was in favor of the AGA board spending a large amount of money so that the mailbox location would not move, and would be checked regularly.

I'll see if I can find the minutes.


http://www.usgo.org/board/ApprovedMinutes/minutes-09-05.pdf
http://www.usgo.org/resources/downloads/rpt2009.pdf
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seigenblues wrote:Hello!...I've put my hat in the ring for election to the AGA's Board, as of this past weekend.


I hereby endorse Andrew Jackeson for board member.
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With all this talk of nominations and such, can someone outline the voting process for me? I read the AGA page, but I'm not sure if I need to go to the "regional office" or if I can just email my local representative or if I get a ballot snail-mail or what. The deadlines appear to be coming up, so I'd like to get this figured out (and hopefully with a clear guide that will help other L19ers vote easily too).
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AGA chapters do the voting IIRC, with a number of votes proportional to the number of members in the chapter.
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daniel_the_smith wrote:AGA chapters do the voting IIRC, with a number of votes proportional to the number of members in the chapter.

Upon closer reading I believe you are correct: "All AGA chapters with two or more members can vote for the director in their region in this election. Chapters with 2-4 members get one vote; 5-9 members gain an additional vote; and larger chapters get an additional vote for each ten additional members."
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Regarding the lack of volunteers and the glut of complainers, what sort of needs does the AGA have for those interested in volunteering? I bet we could fill almost every need with willing bodies here on L19 alone.
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deja wrote:Regarding the lack of volunteers and the glut of complainers, what sort of needs does the AGA have for those interested in volunteering? I bet we could fill almost every need with willing bodies here on L19 alone.


That's the thing. We don't have a strong leader who can direct volunteers to do things. If there is no leader who can direct what is needed, how can we get anything done if there are 100s of volunteers? It probably would be mostly us sitting around, doing our own things, which is basically what is going on right now despite the appearances.
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deja wrote:Regarding the lack of volunteers and the glut of complainers, what sort of needs does the AGA have for those interested in volunteering? I bet we could fill almost every need with willing bodies here on L19 alone.

http://www.usgo.org/org/volunteer.html

I don't think the problem is a lack of a strong leader, I think it's a lack of "growth" projects that can direct the "flaky" volunteer and turn them into a consistent, consistently appreciated volunteer. For example, I'm sure you're not going to get an experienced marketing person with plans for a full-fledged national marketing campaign to volunteer. But you might get someone with a little experience to do something very small in their local area and, given enough encouragement and support, that could grow to something considerably useful.

To give an example in my own arena, the AGA wants a tournament pairing computer program. I happened to be working on such a program before external causes forced me to cease work on it temporarily, and I talked a bit with a few board members about it. Again, there was this expectation of, "Please bring me a full-fledged, complete, working software application with this extensive list of features before we'll give you any recognition, support, or help." Sure, I (or many of the other software developers here) could take a few months off work and develop a really fantastic program that meets all their needs--but is that really realistic? It would be much better to get someone with a little experience to start with something small and simple, complete a task that is easily achieved, and then given enough encouragement and support it could grow to something considerably useful.
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ross wrote:
deja wrote:Regarding the lack of volunteers and the glut of complainers, what sort of needs does the AGA have for those interested in volunteering? I bet we could fill almost every need with willing bodies here on L19 alone.

http://www.usgo.org/org/volunteer.html

I don't think the problem is a lack of a strong leader, I think it's a lack of "growth" projects that can direct the "flaky" volunteer and turn them into a consistent, consistently appreciated volunteer. For example, I'm sure you're not going to get an experienced marketing person with plans for a full-fledged national marketing campaign to volunteer. But you might get someone with a little experience to do something very small in their local area and, given enough encouragement and support, that could grow to something considerably useful.

To give an example in my own arena, the AGA wants a tournament pairing computer program. I happened to be working on such a program before external causes forced me to cease work on it temporarily, and I talked a bit with a few board members about it. Again, there was this expectation of, "Please bring me a full-fledged, complete, working software application with this extensive list of features before we'll give you any recognition, support, or help." Sure, I (or many of the other software developers here) could take a few months off work and develop a really fantastic program that meets all their needs--but is that really realistic? It would be much better to get someone with a little experience to start with something small and simple, complete a task that is easily achieved, and then given enough encouragement and support it could grow to something considerably useful.


It is unreasonable to expect someone to spend weeks or months on a project before they get any acknowledgement or support. However, the AGA doesn't need a lot of partially finished projects to keep track of. How about doing a good tournament pairing program as an open source project, kind of the way gnu-go has been developed? If it were an open source project then different people could do different parts and no one would be required to spend huge blocks of time.
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