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??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

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Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:32 pm
by Kirby
Araban wrote:
daniel_the_smith wrote:
I'm extraordinarily curious to know what people think of this game so far. I'm taking the lack of posts to mean no one thinks I've made an obvious mistake yet... I think I still have all three handicap stones.

And of course, feel free to ask me questions about my thought process.

To daniel_the_smith:
If I had to describe your game in one word, it'd be "standard". So far the game has a very textbook feel to my eyes, and both sides are playing simple and fundamental. I think the kryptonite to taking down Magicwand is to not feel intimidated and consider him as an equal rather than some Malkovich god or something. As they say, play the board not the opponent.

Moves like L6 should not budge you in any way and the only sort of questions that should come to your mind when you see such a move should be "What is the best way to exploit the weakness behind such a move?" rather than "How do I defend against such powerplay?".

Having the right mentality can make a big difference, as we clearly saw in Kirby's series - and Kirby if you're reading this, you need to have more confidence against Magicwand! Be like the wolf in your avatar.


Araban:
Why is a move like L6 not a powerplay? I feel very intimidated by a move like this. White can get influence when I try to escape.

I have played pros a couple of times in simultaneous 9-stone games. A common sequence I've seen is something like this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . 1 . . X . . . 3 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 . . . . . 5 . . . . . 4 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Though it is 9 stone game, I am already afraid on the top of the influence white will get when I try to escape.

I guess I wouldn't say that I'm losing, but if white did this on the bottom side, too, I might feel like I'm half way to defeat...

Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:52 pm
by Solomon
Kirby wrote:
Araban wrote:
daniel_the_smith wrote:
I'm extraordinarily curious to know what people think of this game so far. I'm taking the lack of posts to mean no one thinks I've made an obvious mistake yet... I think I still have all three handicap stones.

And of course, feel free to ask me questions about my thought process.

To daniel_the_smith:
If I had to describe your game in one word, it'd be "standard". So far the game has a very textbook feel to my eyes, and both sides are playing simple and fundamental. I think the kryptonite to taking down Magicwand is to not feel intimidated and consider him as an equal rather than some Malkovich god or something. As they say, play the board not the opponent.

Moves like L6 should not budge you in any way and the only sort of questions that should come to your mind when you see such a move should be "What is the best way to exploit the weakness behind such a move?" rather than "How do I defend against such powerplay?".

Having the right mentality can make a big difference, as we clearly saw in Kirby's series - and Kirby if you're reading this, you need to have more confidence against Magicwand! Be like the wolf in your avatar.


Araban:
Why is a move like L6 not a powerplay? I feel very intimidated by a move like this. White can get influence when I try to escape.

I have played pros a couple of times in simultaneous 9-stone games. A common sequence I've seen is something like this:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . 1 . . X . . . 3 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 2 . . . . . 5 . . . . . 4 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Though it is 9 stone game, I am already afraid on the top of the influence white will get when I try to escape.

I guess I wouldn't say that I'm losing, but if white did this on the bottom side, too, I might feel like I'm half way to defeat...

If you feel intimidated, then the move has already done its work. :)

Regarding your last example, the formation is discussed in Janice Kim's LTPG series somewhere and calmly shows why such a play is an intimidation tactic and nothing more - careful reading can break White's formation to pieces. If I have time I'll try to see where the exact page is, but the book is pretty popular so I'm sure someone else knows which section of which volume I'm talking about.

Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 2:01 am
by Harleqin
Kirby wrote:Why is a move like L6 not a powerplay? I feel very intimidated by a move like this. White can get influence when I try to escape.

I have played pros a couple of times in simultaneous 9-stone games. A common sequence I've seen is something like this:[...]


Let us reverse the colours:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . O . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


What do you fear now?

What does White thus fear in the original diagram?

Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 3:20 am
by Kirby
Harleqin wrote:
Kirby wrote:Why is a move like L6 not a powerplay? I feel very intimidated by a move like this. White can get influence when I try to escape.

I have played pros a couple of times in simultaneous 9-stone games. A common sequence I've seen is something like this:[...]


Let us reverse the colours:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . O . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . X . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


What do you fear now?

What does White thus fear in the original diagram?


So weird...

Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:31 am
by daniel_the_smith
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . B . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Moves I thought about:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc I feel it tries to do two things while not doing either one well
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc This seems OK, but it lacks something. I don't know what.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The move I ended up playing is the one that first jumped out at me. At first I thought it was bad because white would attach underneath and get a favorable ko, but then I thought of another way to play.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc Ko
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 7 2 X 8 1 . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . 3 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc No ko
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 X . 1 . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . 4 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Because of that last diagram, I think my last move is sente. I'm not worried about that stone on top, I think it's a case where Magicwand's "one stone is aji" rule applies. (I think the stone Kirby just used that rule on in his game vs Chew Terr is not one it applies to!)

Basically I just like the way this move looks. White's group is starting to look pathetic...

Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:42 am
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
he is playing well for 1K.
my prediction: he will lose this game and probably 4 stone game too.
i have played people stronger than him with 4 stones and didnt lose money.
i see black group slowly getting weaker on every move.


below is what i would have played if i was black. i dont know if it is optimal but i know that it is damn good move close to optimal.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O B . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:46 am
by daniel_the_smith
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . B . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I haven't read everything out, but it seems that letting white get H8 would be completely intolerable. Plus now white's right group is looking weaker.

Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:59 am
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X W . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
what i am hoping will happen later
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X W . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O 3 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . 2 1 . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:10 am
by dfan
Another sector line fight! I feel like Black is doing better at keeping ahead in it than in the last Magicwand-Kirby game.

Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 10:17 am
by zinger
I don't agree with Daniel's analysis after black F10. This seems more likely, now or later:

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[go]$$Bc
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . a 5 b . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 6 2 X . 1 . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . 3 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


leaving a and b as miai.

Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 11:23 am
by daniel_the_smith
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm going with my first instinct yet again. I was going to switch to the hane and cut his group, but I can't really ignore :w3: below. This way, he either has to defend in gote or I really do get to cut his group. I think.

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . B . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O 1 . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 2 . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O 3 4 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 2:05 pm
by daniel_the_smith
By the way, I'm taking a short vacation starting tomorrow, so moves from me will be sporadic for a while. :)

Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 2:47 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O . 3 , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O 1 2 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

let me know if you disagree

Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

Posted: Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:46 pm
by daniel_the_smith
This move is gonna take me a bit to decide on.

There's so many different places I could go, I can't make up my mind...

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[go]$$Bc I want this point, but then white will make me weak in the top left...
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bc I'm pretty sure this lets me take a crap-ton (that's a technical unit) of territory on the side.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O 1 . O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bc This is the move I was thinking about making a few moves ago. I still like it.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O . O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bc If I can get strong enough (and a stone at A) then white has to protect against this aji
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X 2 5 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X O 1 O , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . a 3 4 X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bc Other points I've considered that don't quite deserve their own diagram.
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . a . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . b X . X O . O c . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X . d . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . O . X . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


After the game I will be very interested to hear what the stronger players would play here.

Re: ??. Magicwand (3d) vs. daniel_the_smith (1k)

Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2010 1:55 am
by Harleqin
It is funny that daniel_the_smith doesn't seem to have the cut at J7 on his screen.
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