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49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

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Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 9:28 am
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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let me try my curve ball. see how he answer.

Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:40 am
by Violence
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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I don't think this is a good move.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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1 is a bad exchange with 2, 3 is a bad exchange with 4.

Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 10:56 am
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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probe..

Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 11:43 am
by Violence
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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This forcing move is to help his invasion.

I'm really not scared of anything he pulls down here. There's no pressure to maintain the lead right now.

I mean, seriously. You played S7. I hope you're feeling stupid.

Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:23 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
@Magicwand:
Magicwand wrote:probe..


Uhhh...yeah...I kinda noticed that it was a probe.

Would you care to tell us what you were probing for? As I understand it, a probe seeks to make the opponent commit himself one way or the other, and then you base your future play upon his choice.
What were his possible options here, and what would how would your plans differ if he had chosen another option?

Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:28 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
@Violence:
Violence wrote:
This forcing move is to help his invasion.


Which invasion? Top or bottom?

And did you consider any other resonses aside from the one you played?

Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:47 pm
by Magicwand
Joaz Banbeck wrote:@Magicwand:
Magicwand wrote:probe..


Uhhh...yeah...I kinda noticed that it was a probe.

Would you care to tell us what you were probing for? As I understand it, a probe seeks to make the opponent commit himself one way or the other, and then you base your future play upon his choice.
What were his possible options here, and what would how would your plans differ if he had chosen another option?

i expect him to answer as he did so i can use that 1 stone as an aji.
later there is a chance he might answer N5. that is why i probe here now..and use that aji later. i can not give you any variation. it is a feeling that i have i think it is right time to play this probe. sorry about not explaining more on this probe.

Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:48 pm
by Chew Terr
Magic:
So by 'probe', you tend to mean a sente stone that you'll want to have in the area later, right?

Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:54 pm
by Magicwand
Chew Terr wrote:Magic:
So by 'probe', you tend to mean a sente stone that you'll want to have in the area later, right?

hum...what i played is only one stone..
i have no idea what good it will bring.
but i am sure that it will create more variation on my invasion later.
all depends on how you use that stone.
you shouldnt be afraid of making such probe.
it does more good than harm many time.

Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 12:59 pm
by Violence
Joaz Banbeck wrote:@Violence:
Violence wrote:
This forcing move is to help his invasion.


Which invasion? Top or bottom?

And did you consider any other resonses aside from the one you played?



Uhh... I only have one moyo... and his move is right next to that moyo.

And no. There is no other move here, I'm fairly sure.

Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:03 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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to make sure to balance out the points.

Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:10 pm
by Violence
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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The marked exchange is clearly bad.
I sense that Magicwand is unsure of himself right now. He's playing odd moves to try and make things happen. I just have to keep calm, and answer properly.

Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:15 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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what a kyuish mistake by 4D wanna be.
that is more like 4 kyu move. :) :)
that is why i dont have any doubt on my win. it will be too easy..

Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:22 pm
by daniel_the_smith
Magicwand,
What do you think Violence should have played and why was this move so bad?

Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:27 pm
by Magicwand
daniel_the_smith wrote:Magicwand,
What do you think Violence should have played and why was this move so bad?

this is in the beginner's joseki.
way he played didnt kill my aji so i will take an advantage of that mistake later.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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