The new OGS

[leichtloeslich]

when I clicked on it all I got was a big empty box with labels "blitz", "live" and "long" below it. Nothing else.

Well, that's the seek graph. If everything was working normally that would mean there were simply no open challenges when you checked.

But I suspect there might be something wrong on your end, maybe a javascript/browser issue or something?

As I mentioned earlier, the best place to ask questions would be the live-chat.
I'm sure they will be able to help you out. Of course if the chat is also not working, that piece of advice might be moot..

From the chat:

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[0:05] GregorS: hey, what are the "system requirements" for running nova?
[0:05] GregorS: as in browser version, things like javascript, cookies or whatever.
[0:05] matburt: GregorS: as long as it supports websockets and isn't an ipad 1 at the moment
[0:05] anoek: (javascript and cookies are a must)

[yoyoma]

DrStraw did you ask in the OGS/Nova chat? It sounds like maybe you hit a bug or something because usually the box you talked about has grey and green boxes in it for game offers, and also a table style list of them below that.

[RBerenguel]

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[0:05] GregorS: hey, what are the "system requirements" for running nova?
[0:05] GregorS: as in browser version, things like javascript, cookies or whatever.
[0:05] matburt: GregorS: as long as it supports websockets and isn't an ipad 1 at the moment
[0:05] anoek: (javascript and cookies are a must)

Perfect, 75% of the time I send moves were in my iPad 1. Great way to ruin my correspondence experience, which was acceptable in OGS before. I hope the "at the moment" is that they are trying to solve it.

[oren]

Perfect, 75% of the time I send moves were in my iPad 1. Great way to ruin my correspondence experience, which was acceptable in OGS before. I hope the "at the moment" is that they are trying to solve it.

It sucks to lose the games you're playing now, but you could switch to DGS for new ones.

[RBerenguel]

It sucks to lose the games you're playing now, but you could switch to DGS for new ones.

I can still make my moves in my computer, is just that I use to play correspondence when I'm no longer in "work mode," i.e. tablet instead of computer. I moved from DGS to OGS because I liked conditional moves (which also didn't work before on a tablet...) and the tournament structure (which I still like.)

[lobotommy]

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[0:05] GregorS: hey, what are the "system requirements" for running nova?
[0:05] GregorS: as in browser version, things like javascript, cookies or whatever.
[0:05] matburt: GregorS: as long as it supports websockets and isn't an ipad 1 at the moment
[0:05] anoek: (javascript and cookies are a must)

Perfect, 75% of the time I send moves were in my iPad 1. Great way to ruin my correspondence experience, which was acceptable in OGS before. I hope the "at the moment" is that they are trying to solve it.

I feel your pain -I'm 99% mobile and I can't force new ogs to work on any of my mobile devices. But I'm not playing there at the moment so I can wait for a fix. btw there are Android and iOS clients on the way (as I heard on #twitter).

[RBerenguel]

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[0:05] GregorS: hey, what are the "system requirements" for running nova?
[0:05] GregorS: as in browser version, things like javascript, cookies or whatever.
[0:05] matburt: GregorS: as long as it supports websockets and isn't an ipad 1 at the moment
[0:05] anoek: (javascript and cookies are a must)

Perfect, 75% of the time I send moves were in my iPad 1. Great way to ruin my correspondence experience, which was acceptable in OGS before. I hope the "at the moment" is that they are trying to solve it.

I feel your pain -I'm 99% mobile and I can't force new ogs to work on any of my mobile devices. But I'm not playing there at the moment so I can wait for a fix. btw there are Android and iOS clients on the way (as I heard on #twitter).

They're welcome, but I'd bet actual money in that they won't think about maintaining iOS 5 compatibility and thus won't work either on iPad 1s. I won't be getting a new iPad in at least 6 months, just spent a sh*tload in a new Macbook and a second-hand sewing machine... Next year's expenses may include a new iPad. May not :S

[jlaire]

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[0:05] GregorS: hey, what are the "system requirements" for running nova?
[0:05] GregorS: as in browser version, things like javascript, cookies or whatever.
[0:05] matburt: GregorS: as long as it supports websockets and isn't an ipad 1 at the moment

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Q: Hey, what equipment do I need to play Go? As in board, stones or whatever.
A: As long as the board is made from Kaya and the stones aren't glass, you're good to go.

Websockets are cool and shiny but depending on them in a project that has hundreds of users...? Sounds like yet another case where the developers would rather do fun and interesting stuff than build something that's usable and works well. Not saying there's anything wrong with that, though.

[DrStraw]

when I clicked on it all I got was a big empty box with labels "blitz", "live" and "long" below it. Nothing else.

Well, that's the seek graph. If everything was working normally that would mean there were simply no open challenges when you checked.

But I suspect there might be something wrong on your end, maybe a javascript/browser issue or something?

Ah, all those little gray rectangles are supposed to be games! I thought that was just an error in the representation of something. Strange way to represent them and somewhat wasteful of space on the screen because they don't provide any extra information which is not available in the list below.

[dfunkt]

when I clicked on it all I got was a big empty box with labels "blitz", "live" and "long" below it. Nothing else.

Well, that's the seek graph. If everything was working normally that would mean there were simply no open challenges when you checked.

But I suspect there might be something wrong on your end, maybe a javascript/browser issue or something?

Ah, all those little gray rectangles are supposed to be games! I thought that was just an error in the representation of something. Strange way to represent them and somewhat wasteful of space on the screen because they don't provide any extra information which is not available in the list below.

I guess you never had an OGS account since after the server merge the duplicate accounts were merged. I see zero games in your profile. If you would like to offer some CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, perhaps you should play some games to get a real feel for the server instead of bashing it with uninformed opinions. If you don't like the seek graph, present your view in the feedback section of OGS and suggest an alternative method of displaying game offers.

For my part, I think seek graphs are terrific. When there are many games open it graphically represent all the offers on the least amount of screen real estate. When you hover over a dot on the graph you get information on the offer. It's much easier than scrolling down a long list of games. Although, if you prefer that the list is also available.

Some people just gripe for the sake of being difficult.

[DrStraw]

I guess you never had an OGS account since after the server merge the duplicate accounts were merged. I see zero games in your profile. If you would like to offer some CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, perhaps you should play some games to get a real feel for the server instead of bashing it with uninformed opinions. If you don't like the seek graph, present your view in the feedback section of OGS and suggest an alternative method of displaying game offers.

For my part, I think seek graphs are terrific. When there are many games open it graphically represent all the offers on the least amount of screen real estate. When you hover over a dot on the graph you get information on the offer. It's much easier than scrolling down a long list of games. Although, if you prefer that the list is also available.

Some people just gripe for the sake of being difficult.

You are right. I logged onto OGS for the firs time as a result of this thread. But there is no need for you to be so argumentative. I observed that it seems a strange presentation to me. Am I not allowed to express my opinion? Is L19 now censored? A much better response from you would have been to explain why you think it is a good feature instead of criticizing me for what you interpret as a criticism. Civil discourse is what makes a good forum succeed.

[leichtloeslich]

explain why you think it (=seek graph) is a good feature

It gives a graphical representation of time settings vs. rank.
Instead of having to manually parse a list of text entries (or even have to "hover over" an offer, as you have to on KGS), it gives an easy and immediate visualization of the two most important features we care about when we search for a game:
1) how long will the game last (approx)
2) how strong will our opponent be

Btw, seek graphs are not an invention of nova, they have been used on chess servers for ages. I think the only reason most go servers don't have them is because these servers have "automatch".

With a seek graph, automatch is the equivalent of marking a certain square (min_rank - max_rank and min_time - max_time) in the seek graph and joining the first game offer to pop up in that square.

Imho it is very hard to argue against the convenience of this form of visual representation, and doing so might make people wonder whether you just want to be argumentatitve for the sake of being argumentative.

[Dusk Eagle]

Note that you can just scroll down if you don't like the seek graph view.

[hyperpape]

I have has partial success with Chrome on an iPad 1. It hasn't been totally issue free, and it actually isn't working right now (though I'm not sure if it is an issue on my end: I get disconnection messages, and my Internet connection is a bit spotty).

Since Nova has acquired so many users who didn't sign up, that changes the priorities they need to have. Many people were happily using OGS, and making nova work well for them is really the responsible thing to do. Of course, some people will complain about change no matter what, but there will also be legitimate complaints.

[RBerenguel]

I have has partial success with Chrome on an iPad 1. It hasn't been totally issue free, and it actually isn't working right now (though I'm not sure if it is an issue on my end: I get disconnection messages, and my Internet connection is a bit spotty).

That's odd. Are you running a jailbroken iPad with the JS nitro (IIRC the name) engine installed? Because under-the-hood Chrome and Safari are exactly the same in iOS (same goes for Opera and almost any other browser).