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Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 6:17 am
by Gresil
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc 91A W37 B 42
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O . . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O B . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



This cut keeps white's noodle weak. It's not a big obstacle but he can't clear it in one move. I'll ignore his stretch/atari and make life at the top next.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 8:55 am
by daniel_the_smith
Approved.
But I will be correcting the next one if he really ignores the atari-- if we extend it threatens to capture in a ladder.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:19 am
by Violence
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc 91A W41 B 42
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O B . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


fix'd.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:46 am
by Gresil
Hey, you're a move ahead of me... an interesting order-of-play riddle.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:46 am
by Violence
I prefer non-committal relationships.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:36 am
by Chew Terr
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc 92A W41 B 42
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O W O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ugh, I debated and debated over this move, and this is what I went with.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc 91A W41 B 42
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O B . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X d . c . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . b X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O a O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I considered these moves most. However, I think that this one has the least fatal weaknesses. Ugh, we got ourselves into a really complicated situation. Sorry to not have a lot to show for explanations. I figure we're better off sacrificing a few stones if black cuts at O14. While 'b' LOOKS like great shape, it leaves a nasty peep at O15. Don't have time to post much more at the moment, but I may try to come explain more of my thoughts later.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:28 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
Forward, the Light Brigade!
Charge for the guns!


I approve.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Tue Oct 26, 2010 3:17 am
by topazg
Let's do it - Black's got some serious profit here if he can cut off that whole awesome top!

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[go]$$Bcm93 93 W41 B 42
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . 3 . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . . 1 . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:17 pm
by shapenaji
Not approved

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[go]$$Bc 92A W41 B 46
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O W . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

EDIT: whoa, it's been a while since I looked at this, my previous comment about black playing this was totally invalid (he never has a chance), but yeah, this was what I had in mind before... we get to keep all kinds of pressure, and have sente to fix our shape

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 4:33 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
shapenaji wrote:Not approved
...


Sometimes I feel like an idiot. It was obvious.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Thu Oct 28, 2010 5:16 pm
by Chew Terr
Joaz Banbeck wrote:
shapenaji wrote:Not approved
...


Sometimes I feel like an idiot. It was obvious.


Yeah, it makes so much sense after you see it on the board. =)

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 8:52 am
by Gresil
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc 93A W41 B 46
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X B . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is the most difficult situation in the game so far to read. I'm failing miserably to see what can be achieved, but I'm inclined to believe this is the right move.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bc 93A W41 B 46
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . b . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X a . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X c . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


These three I considered. a and b will be all right if P17 is captured (which I don't know to be possible). Otherwise I will have to make cramped life in the corner and white, having gotten the O12 group, controls the lower right of the board.

Reading ahead from c, on the other hand, suggests a helpful liberty issue in white's position.

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[go]$$Bc 93A W41 B 46
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . 2 . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X 3 4 5 . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O . O . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X 1 . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Fri Nov 05, 2010 2:50 pm
by daniel_the_smith
Approved.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:12 am
by Violence
Sorry guys, work's been ramping up lately, if I could just get one more week on this, it'd be appreciated. It's an important move, so I don't want to just blindly approve.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 9:42 am
by Gresil
Sure, fully understood.