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Re: Malkovich #23 - dfan vs Loons
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:26 pm
by dfan
Safe for Loons
As soon as I made that move I realized that I didn't even consider this:
$$Wc Move 22
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc Move 22which feels a lot nicer, although maybe I'd change my mind if I actually played out some variations. Regardless, I should have at least looked at it.
Re: Malkovich #23 - dfan vs Loons
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:45 pm
by Loons
Thinking...
$$Bc Move 23-
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Ok, I see 2-3 continuations from here
$$Bc Move 23-
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc Move 23->Protects cutting point
>Solid
>Kinda slow feeling but may allow for a jump
>White is looking very alive
$$Bc Move 23-
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc Move 23->I try and do some magic
>He plays the (good)ladder breaker and I will get another local move, may be able to keep the group light
>Feels fast
$$Bc Move 23-
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc Move 23->Allows cut to try and cheat white out of eyespace on the top edge
>Black will find dealing with the cut awkward
$$Bc Move 23-
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc Move 23->Emphasises top right corner
>Doesn't protect cut but may help
>Hang on 2 doesn't look good for black
I am getting good feelings from my second diagram. He will have trouble from it either on top or on the right side. Alright, I'm doing it. Sorry about my lack of reading depth, I'll try and put more work into it in future moves.
Re: Malkovich #23 - dfan vs Loons
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 6:03 pm
by dfan
$$Wc Move 24
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I think I have to get this in before Black does. N18 for him would basically be sente and finish off a nice wall. Plus he can't double hane here. After
$$Wc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcmy main decision will be whether to go back to making a base as originally planned, or do something crazy like
$$Wc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcfiguring that my group can handle itself. (Maybe not;
a looks kind of annoying. Another reason I should have considered playing the tiger's mouth last move.)
Another thing to keep in mind about the 1-2 exchange is that I may be able to pull off some nonsense later with
b .
Re: Malkovich #23 - dfan vs Loons
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 8:47 pm
by Loons
$$Bc Move 25-
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Alright, I was thinking about him doing this last move, and my conceptual goal here is to make his move seem small. The two moves that leap out at me here are...
$$Bc Move 25-
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc Move 25-a; I've been wanting to stop him extending forever, and it looks like I'm starting to develop some strength over there myself... Low probably to minimize the effect of him coming out from the shimari at it. I'd like to get a swing or two in at his shimari after the right side starts getting settled, so I might have an eye to that. I want to try and use the fact that he's walking towards my 4-4 stone from outside to stop him actually jumping in, though, and I can maybe play some sente moves to that effect. The turn at B also feels huge for black (and I guess white, considering how lifey he's got), but I might be able to hane or double hane in that direction anyway after takes it, with an eye to my possible extension on the right.
Putting some of these ideas together, I might try and tesuji out a special move.
$$Bc Move 25-
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc Move 25-Hmm, looks vaguely horrible gote for black... Gonna think some more, will keep you posted.
Alright I haven't pressed post yet, but trying again on a similar theme, I think I've found something.
$$Bc Move 25-
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bc Move 25-Tryin' to get my brain in gear for this... Actually, the hangingish connection is a mistake and allows for a ko to cut... Along the letters. Assuming he solidly connects though, he doesn't get that trumpet shape as he up/towards my corner, which I think slows him a bit. And even so 1 has some aji. Alright, I'm going for it. Here's to moves I'll regret tomorrow.
Re: Malkovich #23 - dfan vs Loons
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 9:32 pm
by fwiffo
Reading one move further, there is no kind of ko.
$$B
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$BAnd this looks like a problem.
$$W
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$WI can't read all the variations (maybe a or b is better than
), but this looks very hazardous for black.
Re: Malkovich #23 - dfan vs Loons
Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:15 am
by dfan
$$Wc Move 26
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What, really? Does his cut work? Am I missing something? Black's last move looks like a big mistake. Maybe he is trying to set up some sort of squeeze but I just don't see it.
It was actually a tough choice between this and extending, which should be seriously sente because of this squeeze:
$$Wc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcbut after this:
$$Wc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$WcI didn't like that I either have to keep extending (without sente anymore) or let Black completely block me at
a .
This nice thing here:
$$Wc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcis that I am threatening to cut at
a , not to mention take the entire corner with
b .
I don't think he can pull any nonsense like this:
$$Wc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wcaiming for a ko or something. I can cut him off and he should die before anything bad happens.
Re: Malkovich #23 - dfan vs Loons
Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 11:56 am
by unkx80
In the position below, black's only correct move is to connect at
. Allowing white to hane at
a is too big because it helps white settle its upper side.
$$Bc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$BcIn the diagram below,
is simply a thank-you move. Black gets nothing at all.
$$Bc
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Re: Malkovich #23 - dfan vs Loons
Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 3:19 pm
by Loons
$$Wc Move 27
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Re: Malkovich #23 - dfan vs Loons
Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 3:26 pm
by dfan
$$Wc Move 28
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Re: Malkovich #23 - dfan vs Loons
Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 3:56 pm
by Loons
$$Wc Move 29
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Re: Malkovich #23 - dfan vs Loons
Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 5:07 pm
by fwiffo
Re: Malkovich #23 - dfan vs Loons
Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:11 pm
by dfan
$$Wc Move 30
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I still don't see that he has anything. He can only be trying to start a ko, but I have enough liberties, and he has to crawl so far before he can try to connect up, that I don't see any way it can work. I'll have egg on my face if I'm wrong...
Here's an example in which I can at least can get the tail (if Black
a then White
b ). I bet I can do better if it comes to it, but it's nice to know that this is a worst case.
$$Wc
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Re: Malkovich #23 - dfan vs Loons
Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:53 pm
by Loons
Ack, I resign.
Re: Malkovich #23 - dfan vs Loons
Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:10 pm
by Clossius
Why resign so early? Sure you lost a few points and your behind now, but is it really game over already?
Re: Malkovich #23 - dfan vs Loons
Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 8:17 pm
by dfan
Thanks for the game, Loons.
Playing slow games like this is really different from playing live. It's good for your go to really spend time reading things out. You might want to try playing some games on DGS or OGS.
That said, I think your biggest mistake was... resigning too early! Yes, it's a bad local result, but how many points can I really possibly be leading by? I'm only 3 or 4 kyu - trust me, I would have made some mistakes later
), but this looks very hazardous for black.
. Allowing white to hane at a is too big because it helps white settle its upper side.
