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Author:  Elom [ Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Mainstream Go Sightings
I was a bit surprised to unexpectedly come across this at 05:15 to 05:19 in this video...

...Remember to check in the upper left corner of said frames!
Author:  EdLee [ Fri Jan 26, 2018 2:37 pm ]
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Tricky to categorize: not exactly off topic and not exactly mainstream ( depends on your current location).
A section from a "mock" ( simulation or sample ) exam, on the Chinese language ( in the mainland ), around middle school level.
Reading comprehension: prior to questions 21 - 23, there's a short article about Go, and its most basic rules, but which is all-text and has zero diagrams. ( Time: post-AlphaGo, since it is mentioned in the test article )
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Very loosely paraphrasing question 23:

Referring to the diagram, which of the following is incorrect ? ( 1 point )
A. :w2: has 2 liberties.
B. :b1: is called an "atari" move.
C. The solidly connected 6-stone :black: string has 7 liberties.
D. White can connect the two lower right :white: stones to :w2: to avoid being "captured" ( by any attempts from Black ).

Bare in mind, this is a Chinese language test, and the middle school student is only given a few minutes to read the basic Go rules ( for most of them, for the very first time, and also the first time they see a Go diagram, like the average human being ).

Curious about people's opinion on question 23.
I'm probably biased in terms of the age factor, but I personally know local members who have been playing Go for decades and other adult members who have been playing for over one year who haven't digested connect-and-die ( the exact shape in question 23 ) !! :shock:
Author:  Bill Spight [ Fri Jan 26, 2018 3:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Mainstream Go Sightings
The new TV series, Counterpart, features a game that looks sort of like go-moku. The main character counterpart in one alternate universe plays it.
Author:  EdLee [ Fri Jan 26, 2018 4:46 pm ]
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Hi Bill, Thanks.

I seem to remember reading about that recently, maybe from an AGA e-journal (? or a NYT (p)review ? not sure...) :)
Author:  Bonobo [ Fri Jan 26, 2018 6:20 pm ]
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EdLee wrote:
Curious about people's opinion on question 23.

Well, I’d think that everybody who has played Go for a year should know Oiotoshi (even if they don’t know this term) but for a test for people who don’t know the game even if they’ve read a text about it? No.

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After further thought … maybe it could actually be OK because only one point is false, and A, B, and C could be easy to recognise as correct?
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Author:  EdLee [ Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:23 pm ]
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Hi Tom,
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After further thought … maybe it could actually be OK because only one point is false, and A, B, and C could be easy to recognise as correct?
Hmm... :batman:
Author:  Bill Spight [ Fri Jan 26, 2018 7:55 pm ]
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EdLee wrote:
Referring to the diagram, which of the following is incorrect ? ( 1 point )
A. :w2: has 2 liberties.
B. :b1: is called an "atari" move.
C. The solidly connected 6-stone :black: string has 7 liberties.
D. If White connects the two lower right :white: stones to :w2:, then White will not be "captured".


Well, my knowledge of Chinese grammar is almost non-existent. However, D. in English looks ambiguous to me. When White connects the stones, they still have a liberty, and so will not be captured by the act of connecting, but they may be captured by Black's next play. True, you can figure out by the process of elimination that the test makers mean for D. to be an incorrect statement, but you have to psyche out the test makers.

This is the kind of test question that bugged me in middle school, and still does bug me. (BTW, the American Psychological Association freely admits {or did back in the 1990s} that there are questions on the test for licensure that are ambiguous, and are meant to find out if the applicant thinks like a psychologist. :roll: :roll: :roll: )
Author:  EdLee [ Fri Jan 26, 2018 9:02 pm ]
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Hi Bill,
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However, D. in English looks ambiguous to me.
You're right. After a few unsatisfactory attempts, now I wonder if the ambiguity is built-in the original wording... :study:

I have trouble finding a good translation that is unambiguous and doesn't include variations of the form "...avoid being captured by any attempts from Black". :-|
Author:  Bonobo [ Tue Apr 10, 2018 2:28 pm ]
Post subject:  “Saturn Run” by John Sandford & Ctein
Currently reading an extremely exciting SF novel by John Sandford & Ctein: “Saturn Run” and what shall I say, I was happily surprised to see that Our Game is mentioned in it.

I’ll let you know if I find other instances there.

—> https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24611668-saturn-run

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Author:  jeromie [ Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:09 pm ]
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Bonobo wrote:
Currently reading an extremely exciting SF novel by John Sandford & Ctein: “Saturn Run” and what shall I say, I was happily surprised to see that Our Game is mentioned in it I’ll let you know if I find other instances there.

—> https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24611668-saturn-run

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I like to read science fiction on occasion, but I find the use of the work “poop” to describe 3D printing about as unfortunate a term as when Microsoft described music sharing on their Zune as “squirting” a song. :lol:
Author:  Vesa [ Wed Apr 11, 2018 10:22 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: “Saturn Run” by John Sandford & Ctein
jeromie wrote:
Bonobo wrote:
Currently reading an extremely exciting SF novel by John Sandford & Ctein: “Saturn Run” and what shall I say, I was happily surprised to see that Our Game is mentioned in it I’ll let you know if I find other instances there.

—> https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/24611668-saturn-run

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I like to read science fiction on occasion, but I find the use of the work “poop” to describe 3D printing about as unfortunate a term as when Microsoft described music sharing on their Zune as “squirting” a song. :lol:

Perhaps not so far-fetched, though. See https://www.biorxiv.org/content/early/2018/04/02/288746.

Cheers,
Vesa
Author:  Bonobo [ Thu Apr 12, 2018 1:31 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Mainstream Go Sightings
Meanwhile I have advanced a few dozen pages, and I can tell you that Go does play a role a few more times but I won't spoil it for you.

Just one thing: if you have read the awesome thriller “Shibumi” by Trevanian you will get a special kick out of one passage in the book 　
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* Re: “Shibumi” see https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1059.Shibumi
Author:  Marathon [ Wed May 16, 2018 11:08 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Mainstream Go Sightings
An article in The Atlantic by Henry Kissinger, who is concerned about A.I. as a threat, begins with A.I. mastering Go. https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/06/henry-kissinger-ai-could-mean-the-end-of-human-history/559124/
Author:  Marathon [ Wed May 16, 2018 11:29 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Mainstream Go Sightings
The Economist, December 16, 2004: https://www.economist.com/node/3445214
Author:  EdLee [ Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:42 pm ]
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Author:  EdLee [ Sun Jun 17, 2018 4:03 pm ]
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Sandford & Ctein: Saturn Run
Hi Tom, did you actually highlight on the physical page or was it CG ? :)
Coincidence: a publication I just received in the mail also mentions the same book ( turns out Ctein and I are both alums, him senior to me by about two decades. So the passage you highlighted, I can make some educated guesses of the actual physical locations on campus where the scene really took place during his school years. Of course, one can just ask him. :) )
Author:  Bonobo [ Mon Jun 18, 2018 1:53 am ]
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EdLee wrote:
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Sandford & Ctein: Saturn Run
Hi Tom, did you actually highlight on the physical page or was it CG ? :)
Heh :D Photoshop
Author:  Bonobo [ Mon Jun 18, 2018 1:55 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Mainstream Go Sightings
Marathon wrote:
The Economist, December 16, 2004: https://www.economist.com/node/3445214

That link doesn't work for me, but this one does: https://media.economist.com/news/christmas-specials/3445214-most-intellectually-testing-game-ever-devised-game-beat-all-games
Author:  EdLee [ Mon Jun 18, 2018 1:58 am ]
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Heh :D Photoshop
Whew! I also like to keep my books in mint condition. :study:
Author:  Bonobo [ Thu Jun 21, 2018 3:07 pm ]
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EdLee wrote:
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Heh :D Photoshop
Whew! I also like to keep my books in mint condition. :study:

Oh … well, no, that I don't. I do mark passages in my books, and almost all books I read have dog’s ears.
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