Life In 19x19

CSamurai wrote:Also note: Bad idea to tell people you're new. I was getting my ranking (whee, 4 losses, 1 win in the ranking games) and I was feeling chatty, so I told this guy I was new.
So he cannon rushed me. Wow, that pissed me off. I somehow missed the probe as it slipped into my base. I did manage to kill it before it got in range of any of my buildings, by sacrificing half my probes, but I was so flustered I never built any units to stop the probe from getting back in, and ended up letting him continue the rush 5 seconds later.

I'm not sure the best way to prevent a cannon rush, but I guess it's better to learn it sooner than later.

I've been 6 pooled a couple times. It's not as bad as I had feared, especially when I see it coming with an early probe getting eaten by a queen.

Also, has anyone noticed, there is no macro/long term game in bronze? Everyone rushes, and if you survive their rush, you can pretty much run unopposed into their base and destroy them. Is it this way in higher levels? Tourney play doesn't look like this.

Anyway, enough, I have to go run errands before I pass out.

Aphelion wrote:Supply before Rax is total bullshit that is completely catering to noobs. Bunker /reaper rush is a non-factor at high levels, there are very stable ways to deal with them. Cheese has its role in the metagame, this change simply reduces complexity and creativity in the game.

Suji wrote:

Aphelion wrote:Supply before Rax is total bullshit that is completely catering to noobs. Bunker /reaper rush is a non-factor at high levels, there are very stable ways to deal with them. Cheese has its role in the metagame, this change simply reduces complexity and creativity in the game.

This needed to happen as Reapers can dominate the match if the other races do the wrong build order. Also it slows down terran to the point where protoss is since in PvT protoss people have the number and speed disadvantage.

Aphelion wrote:

Suji wrote:

Aphelion wrote:Supply before Rax is total bullshit that is completely catering to noobs. Bunker /reaper rush is a non-factor at high levels, there are very stable ways to deal with them. Cheese has its role in the metagame, this change simply reduces complexity and creativity in the game.

This needed to happen as Reapers can dominate the match if the other races do the wrong build order. Also it slows down terran to the point where protoss is since in PvT protoss people have the number and speed disadvantage.

Thats like saying you will die to a 6 pool if you went no gate nexus first. You should lose if you do the wrong build order. There's no conventional build right now that is autolose against 8 rax reaper. All this change does is to remove strategic options on higher levels of play because new players can't be bothered to polish their decision making and mechanics to fight early pressure.

I also disagree that PvT has an early game problem with early rax. As a Protoss player in both Sc1 and Sc2, I've died to my fair share of early reaper / bunker, fast concussive shell maurauder, and even scv / marine rushes in the original BW. I can categorically say that there was never a case where there was nothing I could have done better to avoid my fate. This patch doesn't impact my race (Protoss) much, but if this is the continued attitude Blizzard is bringing to SC balance in terms of catering to noobs and specifically making core changes because of silver-gold level cheeses (forge time change, zealot build time change), I will eventually have to quit this game.

Tooveli wrote:

Tips/Criticisms:
1) Why is your pylon so far forward in your cannon setup? I would have thought it made more sense to have the pylon sitting back out of range.
2) Why don't you scout with your probe that's at the pylon. He knows you fast expanded so he's either going to rush early or (more likely) expand himself (we can discount silly things like him sitting on one base and going for a mothership because that will give you time to use the FE and get a big lead). You just need to walk your probe up to his ramp and back away again and you get so much information.
3) Why proxy the stargates like that? I was so nervous that your opponent would just come over and snipe the pylon. It's so close to his base, he could easily scout it without even trying to and it's completely undefended. You've got cannons at the front of your base so it's unlikely he's got an observer in. I think you could just build them at home. I know carriers are slow, if I really wanted to proxy them I think it's probably safer up at the 12'o'clock main.

Thoughts:
1) Getting your first attacking unit out at 7:30 isn't a conventional tactic.
2) However, going for carriers and then winning by losing your whole frickin base comes highly recommended.

1) Yeah it was a mistake, simply put. The cannon should be in the rear (with the gear) of the cannons.
2) Iirc, I did try sending a probe up his ramp to see what was up (the one that was near the watchtower). But I do agree that sending the probe that built the proxy to the far left watchtower wasn't the best plan.
3) Cause blimps are sooooooo slow . It was too risky where I placed them though; it would have made a world of difference if they were to the left of the grass that was a little bit to the left of the buildings. Putting them at the 12'o'clock main on the edge somewhere would have been better as well.

1) Indeed indeed; I relied too much on 2 cannons to do my dirty work; had he done a standard/boring 4-gate push, I think I would have been in trouble.

schilds wrote:You'll gain/lose about 12 points for winning/losing even matches, so if you're only gaining 8-10 points for a win and losing 16-20 for a loss, that suggests you are playing people lower ranked than you against whom you should be able to maintain a higher win rate. If you're not maintaining a higher win rate, then that suggests you were overranked coming out of your placement matches (which would not be unusual, as 5 matches would only produce a rough estimate of your strength).

CSamurai wrote:I really. Really. REALLY suck at this game.