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Re: Pippen vs. whomever danplayer comes first here
Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 5:24 pm
by leichtloeslich
you may as well have written a trigger for that. Obviously black connects.
Re: Pippen vs. whomever danplayer comes first here
Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:06 pm
by Pippen
If nobody complains I will continue like that (I marked the moves). So next Black to play.
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Re: Pippen vs. whomever danplayer comes first here
Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:10 pm
by yoyoma
Paging Ed Lee -- ripped shape incoming.
Re: Pippen vs. whomever danplayer comes first here
Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:55 pm
by shapenaji
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What? you thought we'd play a?
Re: Pippen vs. whomever danplayer comes first here
Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 7:05 pm
by Pippen
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Do you know how it is short before you feel something was wrong with the food? Same feeling for me here^^. On the up side my stones on the right side are roughly connected and Black's lower moyo still has some holes.
Re: Pippen vs. whomever danplayer comes first here
Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 7:33 pm
by Loons
@Pippen
This game, R10 became heavy, right?
$$B This seems way more natural?
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It seems black could have preferred to pincer.
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I think
makes
look foolish.
And
provides impetus for a splitting attack against R10.
Re: Pippen vs. whomever danplayer comes first here
Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 7:48 pm
by Bill Spight
yoyoma wrote: It's an interesting game. I find myself confused how to play against a bunch of light moves like what white has.
Well, IMX most amateurs do not play this way, so it is unfamiliar. Also, light play always contains an offer of a sacrifice (at least one). It is often incorrect, especially early in the game, to accept the offer. If possible it is better to up the ante, to attack on a larger scale than the offer, so that the light stones become heavy, because the sacrifice becomes too big. drmwc's double hane is a good example of upping the ante.
Re: Pippen vs. whomever danplayer comes first here
Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 12:50 am
by Loons
Just my opinion.
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Re: Pippen vs. whomever danplayer comes first here
Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:32 am
by drmwc
For my move, I also considered this:
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This is calm, aims at cutting at a, strenthens the corner and builds a moyo. But it's far too calm for me!
Here's my current thoughts:
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This move connects all black's bits, leaves a giant cut at a, and give white shape issues on the outside. I prefer it to either of the ataris. For example, suppose whit connects one of his bits:
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Black is around 150 points ahead. So white doesn't have time to connect at 2, and needs to play on the other side.
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or
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However, the choice of move is difficult. Many moves leave white heavy. So I think black is way ahead here.
Re: Pippen vs. whomever danplayer comes first here
Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:40 am
by Bill Spight
drmwc wrote: However, the choice of move is difficult. Many moves leave white heavy. So I think black is way ahead here.
Play to make the light stones heavy. Object lesson.
Re: Pippen vs. whomever danplayer comes first here
Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:16 am
by Pippen
Since it came from drm..., a 4d, well' continue like this, Black to play now:
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As u can see White continues to move like a butterfly, just creating opportunities, waiting to sting into Black's moyo or to tenuki big. Tygem's SE, that I consider a better estimator, says White leads with 6.5.
Re: Pippen vs. whomever danplayer comes first here
Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:06 pm
by skydyr
Pippen wrote: Since it came from drm..., a 4d, well' continue like this, Black to play now:
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As u can see White continues to move like a butterfly, just creating opportunities, waiting to sting into Black's moyo or to tenuki big. Tygem's SE, that I consider a better estimator, says White leads with 6.5.
I don't know... I see the potential for weak white groups while black has been making territory. While black may want to handle the
and
stones now, the O13 attachment looks nice to carve off a weak white group, and there's a reason most people don't shoulder hit 4th line stones on a regular basis. If black just does something simple like N5, white's connection to the two M8 stones is also quite tenuous.
Re: Pippen vs. whomever danplayer comes first here
Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:24 pm
by leichtloeslich
Pippen wrote: White continues to move like a butterfly, [...] waiting to sting into Black's moyo
The butterfly is stalking its prey, a Bengal tiger, from a distance, biding its time.
Unaware of the pursuit by this beautiful, but deadly predator, the tiger hasn't yet noticed the sword of Damocles dangling over its striped head. And it is only a matter of time until the two-winged menace will make its move..
Re: Pippen vs. whomever danplayer comes first here
Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 1:34 pm
by shapenaji
"Nobody ever suspects the Butterfly" -Bart Simpson
Re: Pippen vs. whomever danplayer comes first here
Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 2:31 pm
by Pippen
Ok, before the next dan comes up with a move for Black, see this and how a strong KGS-1k can be screwed by my havoc-style
.
makes 
look foolish.
provides impetus for a splitting attack against R10.
and 
stones now, the O13 attachment looks nice to carve off a weak white group, and there's a reason most people don't shoulder hit 4th line stones on a regular basis. If black just does something simple like N5, white's connection to the two M8 stones is also quite tenuous.
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