#247 tentano v. hailthorn

hailthorn011 · Post by **hailthorn011** » Sun Jan 11, 2015 7:09 pm

Sorry for the lag! It's been that time of the year. I had to say this in my other game, too.

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tentano · Post by **tentano** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 2:14 pm

No worries, around new year is hectic for most people.

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Hm.

Not the expected response.

I half-heartedly plan the following, but it looks so nice for me that I expect it doesn't go that way.

I really just want this to live in sente so I can play elsewhere.

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I can't really see any clear alternatives, so I'll have to hope it goes roughly as planned.
I'm pretty sure J7 is too adventurous without first pushing at P8.

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moyoaji · Post by **moyoaji** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 3:04 pm

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I'm not sure this result is as good as tentano thinks it is. Black is getting forth line territory everywhere, he's damaging the J4 stone, and his group is still not alive.

I think jumping to :w4:

directly would have been a better idea. Exchanging this move and :w2:

for

and

seems bad for white. It may strengthen him some, but it strengthens black much more.

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:36 pm

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Mon Jan 12, 2015 11:14 pm

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 8:22 am

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 8:39 pm

skydyr · Post by **skydyr** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 9:06 pm

Loons wrote:
EdLee wrote:
Loons wrote:
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Given the circumstances, ... ?
Is also aji keshi ?

I felt like was necessary to support white moving out. Somehow.

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I think this directly makes it harder for black to deal with the aji of both white stones at the same time. White's also liable to become extremely heavy, so I want to play something nice and loose that tries to stay a little lighter. It has a nice followup at A as well.

As I look longer, though, I'm starting to see the virtues of starting with B. Black built a moyo, white reduced it a bit, there's still aji, let's move on. Later, white can aim at C, and something near D would be o-o-yose.

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 9:18 pm

Loons · Post by **Loons** » Tue Jan 13, 2015 10:35 pm

EdLee · Post by **EdLee** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 12:35 am

Uberdude · Post by **Uberdude** » Wed Jan 14, 2015 4:22 am

To have any chance in this game, I feel white needs to stop playing dame in the centre and get some points and chances to fight using the weakness of the 5th line stone (black didn't need to be so greedy). If not 2 then white slide there is big and maybe we can use o3 (so centre peep probably aji keshi, maybe do it if black defends corner). Of course that push white played into the knight's move is awful.

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Another idea is attack the black on the left:

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If white can use this to get strong in the centre then later pincer black on the right at a/b, though black c basically links up (not if white has a).

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