New tournament Shinyao(新奥杯) cup

Uberdude · Post by **Uberdude** » Thu May 11, 2017 1:42 am

5th round 2nd game:

Ke Jie beat Li Zhe by 2.5
Peng Liyao beat Zhou Ruiyang by resign

So Ke Jie straight through to final, Peng vs Zhou decider in a day or two.

Zhou played more Master-style moves with the avoiding avalanche joseki like vs Jiang Weijie that Redmond commented but Peng played one not 2 space high pincer when approached.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$W Zhou Ruiyang (white) vs Peng Liyao $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . 8 . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . 2 7 1 4 X . . | $$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Uberdude · Post by **Uberdude** » Thu May 11, 2017 8:23 pm

3rd game is live now with more Master style from Zhou in that he played press after low approach to 3-4 and distant pincer and then tenukid twice. One stone (:b17:) of his resulting group ended up looking misplaced though so I feel it's not so good, I wonder how Master handled similar situations. Or maybe Master wouldn't tenuki so much because white already reinforced the 4-4 behind the pincer (:w6: in 1st diagram) so counter pincer is less effective. I can't yet recall a Master game where it defended the press group following the attack at 14 from the corner (there was #33 vs Gu Li where it was attacked from outside and played push instead of dame connect).

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wm6 Zhou Ruiyang (black) vs Peng Liyao, ENN cup semi-final 3rd game $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . 8 . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , 0 . . | $$ | . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , 4 6 . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . 9 O 5 . 7 . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wm16 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . 1 . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . 0 . 6 8 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . 4 5 7 9 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X X 3 . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . O O O . O . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wm26 $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . 7 . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 2 4 . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 8 9 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 0 . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X 1 . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X O O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X X O . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . O O O . O . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

The marked stone below isn't totally useless as it all but stops the peep at a which could be a nice sente for white and help his side group come out, means black can deal with the white double hane b-d, and is also a vital point for building eyes (and indeed Zhou did later allow that group to get cut off and live inside with an eye there), but I can't help feel it would be better placed at e or somewhere else.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$W $$ +---------------------------------------+ $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . d e . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . B a c b . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . X . X X O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . X O O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X X O . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . O O O . O . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Also the marked stone does mean black has a good answer to white cutting across the knight's move without needing to fight the ko (with 8 at a):

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$W $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 8 O . B . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . a 5 4 . X . X X O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 7 X 1 6 . X O O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 3 2 X X O . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . O O O . O . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Click Here To Show Diagram Code: [go]$$Wm9 (so white would connect on 2nd line at 14 rather than take for 9) $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 8 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O 4 B . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . 6 O 5 3 X . X X O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . O 7 1 X . X O O O . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X X X O . . , . . . . . , X . . | $$ | . . O O O . O . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Edit: And Zhou indeed lost, so the final is Peng Liyao 6p (goratings #30, in his first international final) against Ke Jie.

Edit 2: Analysis of the Master opening: http://www.lifein19x19.com/forum/viewto ... 18#p219218

xiayun · Post by **xiayun** » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:15 pm

The best-of-5 final will start on 12/18 and then 19/21/23/24.

xiayun · Post by **xiayun** » Mon Dec 18, 2017 8:52 pm

Sorry for the misinformation. The final will start on 12/20.

Uberdude · Post by **Uberdude** » Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:53 pm

Game is live now, is Ke Jie in trouble?

pookpooi · Post by **pookpooi** » Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:27 am

Uberdude wrote:Game is live now, is Ke Jie in trouble?

No

The third game, and might be the final one, is this Saturday, December 23.

Uberdude · Post by **Uberdude** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:51 am

Ke Jie won the second game as well. He took all 4 corners and then lived with a big group in the centre using some nice counterattack against the surroundings.

xiayun · Post by **xiayun** » Thu Dec 21, 2017 10:44 am

Peng had much better chance yesterday comparing to the first game, but didn't handle it well after white crosscut in the middle. With Ke Jie holding white in Game 3, the chance is pretty high that the final will be over tomorrow.

pookpooi · Post by **pookpooi** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 12:14 am

Ouch, Ke Jie lose by 0.5 point so they have to continue game 4 on Christmas.

Uberdude · Post by **Uberdude** » Sat Dec 23, 2017 12:26 am

Probably because that game had practically no middlegame and that's where Ke's greatest difference in strength lies. It was basically play some joseki on a side, play two 3-3 invasions, resolve a ladder, one side invasion jumps out to safety and now >200 moves of endgame.

pookpooi · Post by **pookpooi** » Sun Dec 24, 2017 8:06 pm

4th game, I think we can conclude that Ke Jie has absolute faith in AlphaGo Master.

Update: now I have to watch tomorrow too

Uberdude · Post by **Uberdude** » Mon Dec 25, 2017 2:57 am

Peng won the 4th game by half a point as well so it goes to a deciding fifth game tomorrow. Ke is white tomorrow, but could he let this title slip from his grasp?

xiayun · Post by **xiayun** » Mon Dec 25, 2017 9:31 pm

Ke Jie actually ended up black for the game 5 since they always re-do for the deciding game of a series.

Uberdude · Post by **Uberdude** » Tue Dec 26, 2017 1:12 am

Ke Jie won the final game by half a point so wins the first Shinyao/ENN cup.

pookpooi · Post by **pookpooi** » Tue Dec 26, 2017 1:13 am

Ke Jie's strategy to play fast and use time pressure work this time

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