Life In 19x19

John Fairbairn wrote:

Eiko Nyu 3p (I think Eiko is first name)

No, Nyu is her first name, her surname. And it is now official policy in Japan to put the surname first even when writing the name in our letters. Americans please, note.

I am mystified why for Asian names they don't simply adopt the unambiguous convention of writing the name in Roman characters as Surname comma Given Name (for example):

Nyu, Eiko

This convention would preserve the correct name order, and give Westerners a very strong clue. Since from our own school records, medical charts, etc. We all know what the comma means. True enough, it is easier to use when presenting the name, than when using it in a sentence, but for listing Book Authors, who the black and white players are, etc. Isn't it just a good idea?

hzamir wrote:I am mystified why for Asian names they don't simply adopt the unambiguous convention of writing the name in Roman characters as Surname comma Given Name...This convention would preserve the correct name order, and give Westerners a very strong clue. Since from our own school records, medical charts, etc. We all know what the comma means. True enough, it is easier to use when presenting the name, than when using it in a sentence, but for listing Book Authors, who the black and white players are, etc. Isn't it just a good idea?

If the name were put into a box, I think that makes sense. And I have seen it that way. On the Nihon Kiin profiles actually. They also use capitalization, which I like and see in formal situations (author, signatory, etc). Some people have more than 3 (nonhyphenated) names in the full name.

井山　裕太（イヤマ　ユウタ / IYAMA, Yuta）
一力　遼（イチリキ　リョウ / ICHIRIKI, Ryo）

What bothers me is that Western format will swap the names but doesn't care to indicate when the Japanese "first name" is actually a title (which doesn't get swapped) and not the given/personal name.

Ferran wrote:Maybe we should use the old system?.

Which old system? The one starting with "defending clumsily" and "playing as if stupid" on up to "clear understanding of the mysteries" and strongest of all "able to sit"?

John Fairbairn wrote:The only thing about dans that interests amateurs is whether they themselves can call themselves 1-dan. But that's just delusional psychology..

Such low aspirations. I am aiming to play as if stupid.

Such low aspirations. I am aiming to play as if stupid.

Nice! We haven't had a game of Mornington Crescent here for a long time, so let's indulge ourselves again. But with a superior twist. Instead of stations you have to find allusions that follow on from the previous one, preferably with a go theme. My go!

Allegedly quoting Napoleon a British diplomat arguing with Clemenceau in Paris scornfully said, "Du sublime au ridicule, il n'y a qu'un pas." Clemenceau flashed back: "Oui, le Pas de Calais."

For those who find it bemusing, the key words so far are 'stupid' and 'sublime'. And to keep things on track, we'll ban the Helsinki Double-shunting Manoeuvre, OK?

CDavis7M wrote:Which old system? The one starting with "defending clumsily" and "playing as if stupid" on up to "clear understanding of the mysteries" and strongest of all "able to sit"?

The Japanese one, not the Chinese. I leave that one to Fairbairn senpai...

Take care.

The Japanese one, not the Chinese. I leave that one to Fairbairn senpai...

It's both, though the Kansai Ki-in seems to be the only one to use regularly (in diplomas).

This is Go Cluedo (TM)!

John Fairbairn wrote:It's both, though the Kansai Ki-in seems to be the only one to use regularly (in diplomas).

You know you just made me glee silently, right?

And only silently because I live in a city and I don't want to be carried to a white, soft, room.

Take care. Thanks

Ferran wrote:Ueno Asami 4p vs. Sotoyanagi Sebun 3p, 46th Shinjin-O.

Take care

John Fairbairn wrote:Nice! We haven't had a game of Mornington Crescent here for a long time, so let's indulge ourselves again. But with a superior twist. Instead of stations you have to find allusions that follow on from the previous one,

I had to look this game up. I'm not sure how the game is played in the first, second, or third place. Was Osaka the third place?

Maybe best to derail into another thread

Ferran wrote:Ueno Asami 4p vs. Sotoyanagi Sebun 3p, 46th Shinjin-O.

B+R; Ueno 4p wins

I am surprised with this match.

The first game looked like a win for Ueno. But in the end, she lost.

The second game, at first, looked even. Then, black (Ueno) attacked an isolated group on the right. She is quite a fighter, so I thought that was the game. I couldn't watch all the game (it was holiday in Spain) but I could take a look after white survived that attack. Black had an ugly dragon, so... no way black could win. But some hours later (or a few moves), surprise, surprise, black was clearly going to win. There was a black dead group (3 stones) with a lot of aji in the center that in the end made the trick. White was overconfident, IMHO.

So game 3 will decide it. I think that Ueno might have more chances because of the way she won game 2, but we'll see.

damm...

Asami lost. And although for me it's hard to count, I don't think it was never close. She went with her usual attacking style. Sebun defended well, and got a great win. Actually, so he really deserves the title. Congrats to him.

I have read some criticism on-line about her style. Very aggressive, and she doesn't study yose properly. I don't know who says this, but reminds me of Kato Masao. She is very young (born in 2001, not even 20 yo when I write this), so this might be a maturity issue.

The female Honinbo finished today. It's a best of five match, but Fujisawa Rina won 3-0 to Hoshiai Shiho.

It was Hoshiai's first title match, and although it was going to be difficult for her, she didn't do bad. She put up a very decent fight, and according to AI, she had good chances in every game. The first one, it was B+0.5. And in the last one, in the second half of the game, she had over 90% chances of winning. But Fujisawa is not the player she is because she gives up easily. So... better luck next time for Hoshiai. Her results say that she will have more chances soon.

Today, Fujisawa Rina beat Son Makoto. Or Sun Zhe. He is Japanese but perhaps his family is Chinese. I don't know.

About the game: it was the 2nd round of the main event of the Judan. Actually, the first game for her. It is always important and nice to win a game in any tournament. But this is special. It was the first win of any female player in one of the seven big tournaments in Japan. First ever. Some other women have qualified before, but none has won a game. Luckily, although the main events are still mainly a man's club, women are getting further. At least, the final rounds of the prelims usually have more and more women. And in this case, the Judan, Ueno Asami will play in the main event too. BTW, after today's game, if I am not wrong, Fujisawa will keep her seat next year too.

In the end, it's all about time and numbers.

pajaro wrote:Today, Fujisawa Rina beat Son Makoto. Or Sun Zhe. He is Japanese but perhaps his family is Chinese. I don't know.
About the game: it was the 2nd round of the main event of the Judan. Actually, the first game for her. It is always important and nice to win a game in any tournament. But this is special. It was the first win of any female player in one of the seven big tournaments in Japan. First ever.

I didn't know that this would be the first women's win in a main section of a major title. That's a bit surprising to me actually, considering how well the top women do. Maybe my perception is a bit skewed as a result of the Nihon Kiin's coverage. I wonder if there are any published statistics, but I have to imagine that the coverage and success of these women are boosting interest of young players. I think all games and activities are more fun with a larger playerbase and both women and men.
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Here's the steam for anyone interested: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1EhJqbGcqQs
And the bracket: https://www.nihonkiin.or.jp/match/jyudan/060.html

Since Fujisawa won, she will play either Ida Atsushi, my new favorite player to follow, or Sada Atsushi (Kansai).

About the game: it was the 2nd round of the main event of the Judan. Actually, the first game for her. It is always important and nice to win a game in any tournament. But this is special. It was the first win of any female player in one of the seven big tournaments in Japan.

I don't think this is correct. It is correct that Fujisawa was the first but that was in the Tengen in 2019. She beat Takahashi Masumi.

I have a memory of giving, on that occasion, a list here of all the times women had reached the finals of a Big 7 (then 12 as I recall). And I think I also made the point that on all these occasions it was (regrettably) one of the minor (i.e. non-league) titles.

The special milestone this year is that it is the first time two women have made the finals of the same event.

It is surely just a matter of time. The first lady to reach a final was Honda Sachiko in 1979 (she died last year, so missed this special milestone). It has taken a long time to get this far, but I think we can see that the pace is accelerating fast.