The pincer is an imposing move, and after I played my approach, I second-guessed it because of this pincer in specific. Red, you recommend a wide approach? I was a bit concerned that he would get to easily seal the corner and I would be stuck without a lot. Was I wanting too much, do you think? Araban, would you have recommended a far low approach, or is there a different one you'd prefer?
At the moment, since I'm clearly in my opponent's turf, I'm playing attachments to strengthen my stones and nab a little stability if I can.
Chew vs Mezzanyne: Opening Practice
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Re: Chew vs Mezzanyne: Opening Practice
Sure, a two-space low approach would have been better me thinks.Chew Terr wrote:Araban, would you have recommended a far low approach, or is there a different one you'd prefer?
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Re: Chew vs Mezzanyne: Opening Practice
What about 2 space high? I kind of like the look of it because depending on how Black responds, White may tenuki to approach the lower left.
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Re: Chew vs Mezzanyne: Opening Practice
I never really understood why the two space approach is considered pincer-proof. Isn't there still a valid one space low pincer response? (To both high and low approaches)
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Re: Chew vs Mezzanyne: Opening Practice
I think comparing these gives a reasonable abstraction;
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Black has more space inside the pincer == better.
What joseki are you picturing after 2 space high approach, Aph?
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What joseki are you picturing after 2 space high approach, Aph?
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Re: Chew vs Mezzanyne: Opening Practice
Nothing complicated:
I didn't consider a pincer that much, I imagine the stone will be easy to treat light.
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Re: Chew vs Mezzanyne: Opening Practice
You can pincer the two space approaches, but the attack isn't as severe. There's simply more space between the approach stone and the two in the pincer.Mezzanyne wrote:I never really understood why the two space approach is considered pincer-proof. Isn't there still a valid one space low pincer response? (To both high and low approaches)
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Re: Chew vs Mezzanyne: Opening Practice
I think that a two space approach is not "pincer-proof", but if your opponent DOES end up pincering a two-space approach, he/she doesn't get as much benefit from the pincer as he/she would have if the approach were a one-space approach.Mezzanyne wrote:I never really understood why the two space approach is considered pincer-proof. Isn't there still a valid one space low pincer response? (To both high and low approaches)
This is probably more true when the pincer acts as, not only a pincer, but also an extension. When it's an extension, a one-space pincer of a two-space approach will not be as far as a one-space pincer of a one-space approach.
In addition to that, when you do a two-space approach, a pincer is less severe, probably, because you have more space to react with a two-space approach than with a one-space approach.
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Re: Chew vs Mezzanyne: Opening Practice
Like I said, I'd be willing to give up a decent chunk of territory in exchange for a stable group facing outwards here. White has a lot of strength around, and if I'm stable, that's mostly negated. I was originally going to just atari at E17, but then I couldn't resist the ideas I was reading below:
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Re: Chew vs Mezzanyne: Opening Practice
I stand by my reading. After this fight, we may want to call the opening more or less done, and go over things a bit. I've tried to comment fully, so I may not have a ton to add, but I'll look back afterwards and see if hindsight helps.
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