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Re: Araban vs Magicwand II
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 4:24 pm
by Magicwand
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Re: Araban vs Magicwand II
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 7:05 pm
by Solomon
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm21 Prisoners: The objective is clear, to move out. Execution isn't so clear cut though. I basically narrowed it to these 5 choices. Each have their pros and cons. Something like this:
A
Pro: Easier to settle and move out; strengthen by attaching.
Con: It strengthens his group on the right, which, while not weak, does have some aji.
B
Pro: Simple and clear, doesn't touch his group on the right.
Con: The peep is a pain in the ass.
C
Pro: Moves out while putting some pressure on H16.
Con: The peep is still a pain in the ass; cuttable.
D
Pro: Safer than the jump or the keima.
Con: Slower.
E
Pro: Offers a little more flexibility than D in how I can move out.
Con: Helps H16 more; leaves more weakness than D.
F
Pro: Makes a shimari, threatens H17.
Con: J15 shuts me in (not seal-tight though).
That's just the jist of it. So in the end, I decided to pick D.
Re: Araban vs Magicwand II
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2011 8:44 pm
by Magicwand
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this might be the first instinct of many sdks but...
this will only distroy your influence so it is nogo.
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Re: Araban vs Magicwand II
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:51 am
by daniel_the_smith
Re: Araban vs Magicwand II
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:59 am
by hyperpape
In my opinion, the most helpful and easiest comment you can make, even if you say nothing else, is to say the point you expect your opponent to play, or whether you can't say where you expect him to play. It would take less than a minute to write that for any given move.
Re: Araban vs Magicwand II
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 7:26 am
by Tooveli
Re: Araban vs Magicwand II
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 8:12 am
by daniel_the_smith
Re: Araban vs Magicwand II
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 9:54 am
by Magicwand
hyperpape wrote: In my opinion, the most helpful and easiest comment you can make, even if you say nothing else, is to say the point you expect your opponent to play, or whether you can't say where you expect him to play. It would take less than a minute to write that for any given move.
it sounds easy but actually it is not.
many times i have no idea what my opponent will play
and i have no idea what i will play if i am in that position.
basically i start thinking after my opponent's move.
often it is not what i expected..
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it might not make sense because i really didnt think about each move..
Re: Araban vs Magicwand II
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 10:48 am
by hyperpape
Hey, it's still easy, because you just say "I can't decide where he'll play" or even "I haven't thought about where he'll play." I just want that little bit of information.
It would only be hard if you can't decide whether you can decide where he'll play. And that shouldn't come up too much.
Re: Araban vs Magicwand II
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:57 pm
by Solomon
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm21 Prisoners: As both of his stones are high, if I can gain more control of the outside than he does, he will find myself in a bit of a pickle. I expect him to move out with 'a' next. 'b' also looks possible, to try and settle.
I should also note that the overall grand scheme for White seems to be center control and influence. All of his stones are outside and he really has 0 territory. So my grand scheme will be to try and either steal that from him (steal the crop), or make it not so worthwhile for him to try and cultivate anything in the center (ruin the crop).
Re: Araban vs Magicwand II
Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 12:44 am
by jts
Re: Araban vs Magicwand II
Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 2:41 am
by Solomon
I've managed to find my 21st Century Dictionary of Basic Joseki, and I can verify that the move I played is in there. MW's hanging move isn't in there, but here is what the book has to say regarding the next closest move, a hanging move in a different direction:
White can make the diagonal connection of $$Wc Equal.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc Equal.Black can also foil White's plan by playing I think, when you compare MW's hanging move to what's in the move, the result is better for B (especially if he gets 'a'):
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$$Wc
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$WcRegarding other possible moves MW could have played, 'a', 'b', and interestingly 'c' are possible:
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In the old days, this was played occasionally, but there are few examples from games. In modern times, it has hardly ever been played.
Re: Araban vs Magicwand II
Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2011 4:20 am
by Magicwand
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i know that i said that move is sdkish...
initally i was going to play knight move instead...
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below is one possible variation...
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Re: Araban vs Magicwand II
Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 10:34 am
by Solomon
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm21 Prisoners: I found it tempting to try and play moves like 'a' or 'b', but both of these moves can also be cut off and cause problems for me due to the weakness at the peep. I also feel the move I played has the benefit of being the simplest.
For me to surround MW's group would be too painful, so it's obvious that W will need to move out next. Probably G13.
Re: Araban vs Magicwand II
Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2011 6:28 pm
by Magicwand
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. He expects 
and plans to hane at 
. The result is one of profit for Black and outside influence for White.
, followed by White 2 - Black 'a'. White will switch elsewhere and aim at the hane out at 4.
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