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#184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

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Re: #185 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2012 6:54 pm
by tomukaze
No Problem Padraig! Hope you feel better soon.
Keeping fighting! :rambo:

Re: #185 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:20 pm
by The Intrepid
Hey, shouldn't this game be #184 and not #185? :scratch:

Re: #185 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:35 pm
by Boidhre
The Intrepid wrote:Hey, shouldn't this game be #184 and not #185? :scratch:


Yes, I screwed up.

Re: #185 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:33 pm
by The Intrepid
I would imagine you can probably fix this by simply editing the title of the first post. Hopefully it works, else we'll have two #185 games running simultaneously. :)

Re: #185 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:22 am
by Boidhre
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm21 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 8 . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



I think I need this for eyeshape, it's forcing anyway.

Re: #185 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:30 am
by tomukaze
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm21 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O 9 O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 8 . . . 7 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Even a gobshite protects against a peep :tmbup:

Re: #185 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:37 am
by Boidhre
Oh, damn it I could have just cut there I think. That would have been entertaining. :P

Re: #185 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:39 am
by topazg
I don't think that helps boidhre a great deal. It doesn't do too much damage either, but White can prevent it making any eyes now - and make eyes himself - with a simple clamp (in sente if White wants to keep that stone alive)

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm23 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O 7 O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 6 . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . 9 . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #185 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 10:08 am
by Boidhre
I apologise for the delay, I wasn't feeling great.


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm29 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 2 . O 1 O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I can't see a good attack on either weakish group of Tom's really. There's a quasi proverb, "when in doubt tenuki." But this is double sente and gives me some more eyespace.


Edit:

This is kind of a probe to see how he reacts, there's a couple of ways to react to this.


Double Edit:

Double sente here screws over my corner that I'd have to protect in gote. Whether this is the best course is not something that I'm sure about yet.

Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 10:30 am
by tomukaze
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm29 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 2 3 O 1 O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Looking at the sequence below.
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm29 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 2 3 O 1 O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 10:43 am
by Boidhre
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm29 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X 3 O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is sente as it threatens a monkey jump connection to the corner group. This isn't how I expected Tom to react, I expected him to block the monkey jump leaving me a gote sequence for further sente with :b32: at :w31:. Now Tom might push into my eyespace and threaten to cut off a stone rather than block the connection. We'll see.

Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 11:04 am
by Dragon Pie
31 for 32 could only be a bad exchange.

Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 1:38 pm
by illluck
There is no monkey jump connection, but there is the simple connection with the hane.

Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 3:05 pm
by tomukaze
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm29 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X 3 O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Time to tenuki, can't find a nice move in the fight at the top. Was going to go ahead with my previous plan but that is small so...

Re: #184 Boidhre vs Tomukaze

Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2012 4:42 pm
by Boidhre
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm29 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . 5 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


With the strength of the group on top, I hope to play this variation. The only other one I know has :b38: at a. I prefer the descend as it secures the corner a bit better I think.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm33 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O , . . X X . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O X X X X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X O . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . O . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . a 2 . . . 7 . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . 5 4 1 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I now see that I can't connect by monkey jump above. :P
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