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by TIM82 Fri Dec 21, 2012 1:50 am
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More comments and reply to The Intrepid at the evening.
Chose this way in the end - If I was sure Ed would answer B to my A, that would be ok, but I'm afraid he would play C instead. Also, If I end up enclosing, a stone at A might seem a bit misplaced.
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by EdLee Fri Dec 21, 2012 3:10 am
For beginners. In Ishida's
Dictionary of Basic Joseki , volume 1, page 239, Diagram 5,
there is a
which I didn't understand, until now. Tim's
explains it.
If
, then
kills an eye in sente,
so the entire B group is left with one gote eye, and has to run forever:
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If
, then
cuts off
in sente:
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Will think about this:
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Will also think about this (my second feeling):
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by EdLee Fri Dec 21, 2012 4:12 am
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by TIM82 Sat Dec 22, 2012 12:43 am
Happy holidays Ed!
About the position: I really suck at counting and this kind of positional judgement, not much experience, but let's try, need to learn it someday
I have ~20 at bottom and 15ish at side and top together. Add komi, that makes 40+ Black has 15ish in the left corners together. So Black needs about 25+ from top+right, plus equal to whatever I manage to make on there.
In my opinion this seems playable for both, depends on how well I handle right. Migt be totally wrong though. I prefer white, as in my opinion I have more active options at the moment.
Regarding next moves: I really want to play A or cut at B, but cut is gote, and I'm a bit afraid A might be too. B could perhaps then just reduce from outside while expanding his right side moyo.
IMHO black still doesn't have a single good move which locks down right side. Would love to manage an invasion or reduction that wouldn't give whole top right corner to Black. Can I make a move at top before moving in on side to add some aji? Need to think this over .
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by EdLee Sat Dec 22, 2012 1:11 am
Tim, Happy holidays.
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by TIM82 Mon Dec 24, 2012 1:00 am
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Let's see what Ed does here. If I'm correct, the cut at A should hinder black's operations at the bottom sufficiently for the moment. Aiming to reduce lightly with 2, then something like B or C depending on what happened with this reduction.
If I just pluck a stone in the middle of right side, I will get pincered and no good will come out of that. Selected this move mainly based on some variations of B, where I might get a wall running up from B, this could fit nice ly to that.
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by EdLee Wed Dec 26, 2012 6:22 am
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by EdLee Wed Dec 26, 2012 6:23 am
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by TIM82 Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:16 am
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by TIM82 Wed Dec 26, 2012 10:26 am
My first reaction was
. After thinking about this, I still see no reason for Ed's move. What will the evil masterplan be? Well, at least I will hopefully learn something by walking into this...
In my opinion, Ed just created a weak stone for no reason. Compared to my last move on the side, this feels really too deep due to my position at the bottom being stronger than Ed's on the side. If Ed isn't careful, he may even jeopardize his lower right corner? And at minimum this helps to fix the aji at the bottom I was worried about earlier.
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by EdLee Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:14 pm
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by TIM82 Wed Dec 26, 2012 2:45 pm
Quick initial thoughts:
Primary objective: the ogeima jump must NOT be cut. I want a wall there, supporting my lone stone on right and aiming at black corner. For this reason, considering A and B most, C and D less. E, followed by A,D,B seems to be bad.
If I manage to create a heavy group for black, the cut at G should shine. A running fight is welcome, it should help me to handle the right side, my previous move on left strenghtened that side for such a fight.
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by TIM82 Thu Dec 27, 2012 5:44 am
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by TIM82 Thu Dec 27, 2012 5:52 am
I prefer this to the one below it. Next considerations a,b
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which I didn't understand, until now. Tim's 
explains it. 
, then 
kills an eye in sente,
cuts off 
in sente:
