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49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

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Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:31 pm
by daniel_the_smith
@Magicwand

Thanks, that makes sense.

Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:48 pm
by Violence
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This move is to allow me to build thickness in sente by taking advantage of my extra stone. That way, I can turn around and attack the lonely star point stone.

Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 1:49 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X W . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:01 pm
by Violence
Good. Things are so far going according to plan.
As Oren may remember, the last time I saw Mingjiu, he gave me a nice corner sequence to use in order to keep sente, after reviewing one of my other games. I will use this sequence now.


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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I came up with this plan after the bad exchange on the top.

Ask yourself this question.

What's the difference between this:

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


and this?

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . X . X O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


In the first diagram, I have to extend. There is no pressure on the white corner stones.

This is different, however. I can pressure severely, and profit by gaining thickness. Also, he has to settle on the right side, which is small.

Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:04 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
he is losing his mind...
why would he play such kyuish move???
this will be a quick game again.

Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:05 pm
by Violence
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=0, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . X . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . B O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:10 pm
by Violence
Just noting to myself, and fyi, that's probably all I'm going to post for today. Gotta get work done, and having this board position in the back of my head isn't helping.

Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:12 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . X . X O 3 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . 5 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
let me know if you disagree

Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:14 pm
by Violence
Not 4 for 5. But my actual move will come tomorrow.

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 4:54 pm
by hyperpape
The prisoner count is now wrong.

Ah, there's the overconfident Magicwand we know and love.

Despite thinking K16 is a very weird/bad move, I really hate walls like the one Black is developing. But I think that's just a failure to see how they are useful.

Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 5:30 am
by Loons
For Magicwand;
Before violence makes his next move; where do you think he is going to play instead of S13? Do you think it will be a mistake?


For Violence;
Can you explain directional considerations for approaching the top left? I get a bit mixed up in situations like these. Considering that K16 is too close to your thickness in my mind; is F17ish the right direction? What sort of sequence would you expect there?

Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 5:37 am
by Magicwand
[quote="Loons"]For Magicwand;
Before violence makes his next move; where do you think he is going to play instead of S13? Do you think it will be a mistake?


correct response is what i gave him.
i dont know why he didnt accept my trigger...but it can be a mistake.
he is probably think about expanding the moyo in the bottom(which i think might be a mistake).
although it appears that i like influence game i prefer point game specially when i have 6.5 komi.
this game is exactly what i like it to be and i am 100% satisfied so far.
after my upcoming timely invasion he will have to resign.

Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:02 am
by k1ndofblue
Not for the players:

I'm finding this game very entertaining. Not only for the game play but also for the animosity that the two seem to have for each other. :mrgreen:

Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:28 am
by Violence
Ok, I actually will take the 4 for 5.

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . B . O . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 . 2 . . . X . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I thought this was too good for white. I need to be careful that he doesn't get too large of a lead in points.

After the move I just played, white has several options. He can take more territory, and come under severe attack, or he can run out one move to let me approach the corner. Let's see what happens.

Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)

Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:33 am
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . W . . . . . X . O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . X . O . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
1 stone is an aji. it is always use them as an aji then trying to save one stone. i am sure he is starting to feel the pressure. balance of point will soon force him to an overplay
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