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Re: A beginner's journal of little interest
Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:21 am
by Boidhre
So I'm definitely out of the depression/mixed episode and back playing go obviously. I'm having a lot of fun, rediscovering my love of problems and no longer suffering from crippling anxiety about people which was stopping me going to the go club and from playing online.
Current ideas are: Keep doing problems from 1001 L&D and Get Strong at Tesuji. Both are suitable for my level I think. I'm reading Attack and Defence but most of it goes over my head to be honest, or at least it feels that way. Still, it's interesting and encouraging me to experiment aggressively in my games (with all the problems that brings at the start!).
I'm very much still a DDK I think. This isn't bothering me though, I'm happy so long as I feel I'm improving and/or having fun playing and I feel both are true at the moment. One thing I'm very much enjoying is chatting to and playing L19 people on Kaya, it's been very nice to play ye!
Re: A beginner's journal of little interest
Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:18 am
by Bill Spight
Some comments.
(;SZ[19]FF[4]AP[GOWrite:2.2.21]ST[2]CA[ISO8859-1]GM[1]KM[-5.5]WR[7k]GN[GoGoDW2011'daal-Boidhre]RE[W+6.5]RU[Japanese]PM[0]HA[4]PW[daal]PB[Boidhre]FG[775:]BR[12k]AB[dd][dp][pp][pd]OT[byoyomi 3x60]C[Boidhre\[11k\]\: good luck and have fun \:)
daal\[7k\]\: Hi
daal\[7k\]\: Have a good game
]
;W[nc]WL[872.2]
;BL[888.7]B[kd]
;W[pf]WL[839.9]C[Boidhre\[11k\]\: oh, byo, haven't played that since I got here \:)
daal\[7k\]\: And it's lots of byo
]
;BL[856.1]B[nd]C[Boidhre\[11k\]\: learning by doing! \:)
]
;W[md]WL[815.7]
;BL[829.4]B[ne]
;W[qc]WL[758.7]
(
;BL[802.9]B[qd]
;W[pc]WL[754.5]
;BL[784.7]B[oc]
;W[ob]WL[751.8]
;BL[783.2]B[od]
;W[mb]WL[740.8]
;BL[773.3]B[me]
;W[rd]WL[711.6]
;BL[771.4]B[re]
;W[rc]WL[708.1]
(
;BL[770.4]B[qe]C[Boidhre\[11k\]\: poor result for me I think
*** No, not a bad result. But see variation.
]
;W[cn]WL[625.0]
;BL[735.7]B[cj]
;W[fp]WL[592.8]
(
;BL[729.4]B[eo]C[*** See variations.]
;W[cq]WL[589.2]
;BL[722.4]B[cp]
;W[dq]WL[584.0]
(
;BL[712.7]B[em]C[*** Small. See variation.]
;W[ep]WL[579.2]
;BL[710.7]B[do]
;W[iq]WL[573.8]C[*** Time to plan.]
(
;BL[673.0]B[dc]C[*** See variations.]
;W[nq]WL[556.6]
;BL[666.5]B[qn]
;W[pr]WL[549.9]
(
;BL[636.7]B[lq]C[Boidhre\[11k\]\: might be completely wrong here with him so strong on the left
*** Correct. It is an overplay. It is also the start of Black's troubles. See variations.
]
;W[no]WL[517.1]
(
;BL[627.5]B[lo]C[*** Jowa says, Don't run. See variation.]
;W[ql]WL[481.1]
;BL[560.9]B[on]
;W[qi]WL[454.9]C[Boidhre\[11k\]\: this corner might be dead
*** Ouch! How much good is the Black wall now? White's corner might be dead?]
;BL[525.2]B[nn]C[*** Good!]
;W[qq]WL[435.4]
(
;BL[505.6]B[rm]C[*** Endgame play. See variation.]
;W[mo]WL[428.1]
(
;BL[489.0]B[lm]C[*** Signals your intent to sacrifice the stones on the bottom. See variation.]
;W[mn]WL[423.0]
(
;BL[462.5]B[nl]C[*** Afraid of the cut? See variation.]
;W[ln]WL[419.6]C[Boidhre\[11k\]\: I'm playing terribly \:)
]
;BL[434.4]B[kn]C[*** Too many weaknesses.]
;W[ko]WL[413.5]C[*** Thank goodness!]
(
;BL[419.1]B[lp]C[Boidhre\[11k\]\: that was a large error I think by me
*** Right. Sacrifice. See variation.
]
;W[jo]WL[374.4]
;BL[400.7]B[mm]
;W[oi]WL[363.3]
;BL[361.1]B[mi]C[*** Tops the tree. Good. You not only start a central framework, you can make use of your thickness to harrass White on the right side.]
;W[mh]WL[307.8]
;BL[306.9]B[lh]
;W[mg]WL[300.0]
(
;BL[278.3]B[ld]C[Boidhre\[11k\]\: I think he might ignore here
*** A good play, but see variation.
]
;W[jc]WL[251.1]
(
;BL[240.9]B[dg]C[*** Taking your eye off the ball. See variation. Next comment at move 130.]
;W[gd]WL[239.3]
;BL[156.4]B[gb]
;W[dh]WL[145.5]
;BL[131.0]B[eh]
;W[eg]WL[140.8]
;BL[121.7]B[cg]
;W[ef]WL[132.7]
;BL[119.1]B[ei]C[Boidhre\[11k\]\: it must be fascinating hearing a DDK's thoughts, like watching a car crash in slow motion \:P
]
;W[de]WL[68.1]
;BL[78.4]B[ce]
;W[gg]WL[47.0]
;BL[25.9]B[lg]
;W[bp]WL[41.0]
;BL[20.9]B[bo]
;W[bq]WL[39.4]
;BL[17.2]B[co]
;W[ni]WL[29.7]
;BL[6.6]B[mj]
;W[ek]WL[8.7]
;OB[3]BL[60.0]B[dk]
;W[ao]OW[3]WL[60.0]
;OB[3]BL[60.0]B[an]
;W[ap]OW[3]WL[60.0]
;OB[3]BL[60.0]B[bn]
;W[el]OW[3]WL[60.0]
;OB[3]BL[60.0]B[dl]
;W[fm]OW[3]WL[60.0]
;OB[3]BL[60.0]B[fn]
;W[gm]OW[3]WL[60.0]
;OB[3]BL[60.0]B[gn]
;W[hm]OW[3]WL[60.0]
;OB[3]BL[60.0]B[km]
;W[hn]OW[3]WL[60.0]
;OB[3]BL[60.0]B[sj]
;W[rj]OW[3]WL[60.0]
;OB[3]BL[60.0]B[sk]
;W[si]OW[3]WL[60.0]
;OB[3]BL[60.0]B[rl]
;W[rk]OW[3]WL[60.0]
;OB[3]BL[60.0]B[sl]
;W[qm]OW[3]WL[60.0]
;OB[3]BL[60.0]B[rn]
;W[fc]OW[3]WL[60.0]
;OB[3]BL[60.0]B[fb]
;W[jd]OW[3]WL[60.0]
;OB[3]BL[60.0]B[je]
;W[ie]OW[3]WL[60.0]
;OB[3]BL[60.0]B[jf]
;W[kj]OW[3]WL[60.0]
;OB[3]BL[60.0]B[li]
;W[mc]OW[3]WL[60.0]
;OB[3]BL[60.0]B[oo]
;W[mq]OW[3]WL[60.0]
;OB[3]BL[60.0]B[oq]
;W[or]OW[3]WL[60.0]
;OB[3]BL[60.0]B[rp]
;W[rq]OW[3]WL[60.0]
;OB[3]BL[60.0]B[ji]
;W[go]OW[3]WL[60.0]
;OB[3]BL[60.0]B[jj]
;W[ec]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[3]BL[60.0]B[eb]
;W[ee]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[3]BL[60.0]B[if]
;W[he]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[3]BL[60.0]B[rh]
;W[ri]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[3]BL[60.0]B[qh]
;W[ph]OW[2]WL[60.0]
(
;OB[3]BL[60.0]B[pk]C[*** See variation. End of comments.]
;W[qg]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[3]BL[60.0]B[rg]
;W[og]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[3]BL[60.0]B[qk]C[Boidhre\[11k\]\: grats on 2k MrPrince
]
;W[qf]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[3]BL[60.0]B[rf]
;W[ok]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[3]BL[60.0]B[ol]
;W[of]OW[2]WL[60.0]C[MrPrince\[2k\]\: thank you
]
;OB[3]BL[60.0]B[hc]
;W[ic]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[3]BL[60.0]B[hb]
;W[ib]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[3]BL[60.0]B[hj]
;W[dj]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[3]BL[60.0]B[di]
;W[dm]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[cm]
;W[en]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[dn]
;W[fo]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[em]
;W[ch]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[bh]
;W[cf]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[bf]
;W[df]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[ci]
;W[dm]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[pj]
;W[pi]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[em]
;W[cd]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[be]
;W[dm]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[mp]C[daal\[7k\]\: For stuff like this, it's nice to have 60 instead of 30 seconds byo-yomi
Boidhre\[11k\]\: definitely
]
;W[np]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[em]
;W[cc]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[db]
;W[dm]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[mr]
;W[nr]OW[2]WL[60.0]C[Boidhre\[11k\]\: I thiink you're well ahead anyway \:)
]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[em]
;W[qp]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[qo]
;W[dm]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[ej]C[Boidhre\[11k\]\: I probably missed a bunch of ko threats
]
;W[jk]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[ik]
;W[il]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[jl]
;W[hk]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[kk]
;W[gk]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[hh]
;W[hg]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[ig]
;W[op]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[sq]
;W[sr]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[sp]
;W[rr]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[lc]
;W[lb]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[kc]
;W[kb]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[mf]
;W[nf]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[im]
;W[in]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[hl]
;W[nk]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[mk]
;W[gl]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[il]
;W[gh]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[hi]
;W[sh]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[sg]
;W[hf]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[po]
;W[pq]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[fj]
;W[fk]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[hd]
;W[id]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[sd]
;W[sc]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[se]
;W[fh]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[ed]
;W[fd]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[jn]
;W[ha]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[ga]
;W[ia]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[cb]
;W[em]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[tt]
;W[oj]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[pl]
;W[tt]OW[2]WL[60.0]
;OB[2]BL[60.0]B[tt]C[daal\[7k\]\: Thanks
]
)
(
;B[pj]C[*** Takes away the eye here and. Can White live? Ed?]
(
;W[qg]
;B[rg]
;W[qf]
;B[rf]
;W[og]
;B[of]
;W[nf]
;B[oe]
;W[mf]
;B[nh]
;W[lf]
;B[le]
;W[kf]
;B[kg]
(
;W[ok]
;B[pk]
(
;W[ol]
;B[pl]
;W[pm]
;B[om]
;W[nk]
;B[qk]
)
(
;W[pl]
;B[ol]
;W[oj]
;B[qk]
)
)
(
;W[pk]
;B[oj]
;W[ol]
;B[ok]
)
)
(
;W[pg]
;B[rf]
)
)
)
(
;B[mc]
;W[nb]
;B[og]
)
)
(
;B[og]C[*** A key point. Possible continuations follow.]
(
;W[lg]
;B[ni]
;W[oh]
;B[nh]
;W[ng]
;B[pg]
;W[qg]
;B[of]
)
(
;W[ni]
;B[lg]
)
)
)
(
;B[jo]
;W[lp]
;B[km]
;W[mm]
;B[ml]
;W[nm]
;B[pl]
)
)
(
;B[mm]
;W[ln]
;B[km]C[*** Solid. Now the cut is not a problem.]
(
;W[nm]
;B[nl]
(
;W[om]
;B[pm]
;W[ol]
;B[pl]
;W[ok]
;B[pk]
)
(
;W[pm]
;B[om]
;W[pn]
;B[po]
;W[oo]
;B[pl]
)
)
(
;W[pm]
;B[pn]
;W[nm]
;B[om]
;W[nl]
;B[ol]
)
)
)
(
;B[mn]
;W[ln]
;B[ko]
;W[lm]
;B[ip]
;W[hp]
;B[io]
;W[pm]
;B[nl]
;W[pn]
;B[oo]C[*** Sacrificing two stones.]
)
)
(
;B[mo]C[*** Solid. The failure to play here was costly.]
)
)
(
;B[ip]C[*** Maybe here.]
(
;W[jq]
;B[hp]
;W[gr]
;B[lo]C[*** Now Black has some help, and is threatening to make a wall.]
)
(
;W[jp]
;B[hq]
;W[hp]
;B[io]
;W[gq]
;B[jq]
;W[hr]
;B[kp]
)
(
;W[hp]
;B[jq]
;W[hq]
;B[io]
)
(
;W[hq]
;B[lo]
)
)
)
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;B[pj]
)
(
;B[qq]
)
)
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;B[df]
)
(
;B[ld]C[*** Surprisingly big.]
)
(
;B[pj]C[*** Where the stone makes the loudest sound. I. e., the most open region of the board. It is also a pincer against the White stone. It is also the last big point of the opening. ]
)
(
;B[qm]
)
(
;B[qn]
)
)
(
;B[ep]
;W[eq]
;B[fo]
;W[gp]
;B[ej]
)
)
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;B[dn]
)
(
;B[fo]
)
)
(
;B[qf]C[*** Stronger against the White stone, which is now poorly placed.]
)
)
(
;B[oc]C[*** Eminently playable, as Ed points out.]
;W[qd]
;B[me]
)
)
Re: A beginner's journal of little interest
Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 11:40 am
by Bill Spight
Boidhre wrote:So I'm definitely out of the depression/mixed episode and back playing go obviously. I'm having a lot of fun, rediscovering my love of problems and no longer suffering from crippling anxiety about people which was stopping me going to the go club and from playing online.
¡Bueno!
I'm very much still a DDK I think.
Get in touch with your inner 5 kyu.
Re: A beginner's journal of little interest
Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:33 pm
by Boidhre
Thank you for the review Bill.
Re: A beginner's journal of little interest
Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:41 pm
by mitsun
A few more comments on the 4-stone game which Bill just reviewed exhaustively --
There is often a choice between an hanging connection and a solid connection. The proper choice depends on the situation. You seem to play the solid connection nearly exclusively. This is sometimes necessary (move 28), but often the hanging connection can be better (moves 18, 102, 110).
Bill criticized move 34 (M3) already and gave some better alternatives. Let me just give more of the reasoning. Look at the board after move 33. Which side is potentially larger, the right or the bottom? Clearly the right side is much larger and more open.
On the bottom, White has low stones at J3 and O3, separated by only 4 lines. If W manages to make that space into territory, it amounts to less than 20 points. Invading here is small for B.
On the right side, B has a large wall on top, separated from the bottom corner by 8 lines. That wall is crying out for an extension, to map out a huge territory. If W manages to make a comfortable base here, the B wall will lose its effectiveness.
After extending somewhere around Q10, suppose W plays elsewhere. A good continuation for B would then be O4 or O5. Exchanging O5 (B stone) for M4 (W stone) would be far better for B than exchanging M3 (B stone) for O5 (W stone).
Was the M3 invasion perhaps a case of optimistic reading? If W responds by taking the 3-3 point, the sequence M3-R3-P3-P2-O4 would be ideal for B. Unfortunately W did not cooperate. The exchange M3-O5 instead is very good for W. I would even call M3 the losing move. Looking at the game, this is where I first felt W how had winning chances.
The actual losing sequence was moves 44-46-48, where you suffered a huge loss. It seems like fear of being cut lead to this problem. Ed and Bill have given better sequences here. The main point is that B must not back off from the fight. After blocking at move 40, B is at least as strong here as W, so B should keep playing strongly.
Finally, even after losing those three stones, there was a lot of aji left in the position. When you suffer a loss like this, you should look for ways to salvage some compensation. Anytime after move 52, the tesuji O4 looks very interesting, leading to a nice squeeze. However, it does not quite work, does it? Still, exchanging P5 for N3 seems like too little. Is there really nothing better? How about jumping in at P2? Try reading out some sequences. It looks like W might have to give up the R3 stone and the corner, which would be quite satisfying for B.
Re: A beginner's journal of little interest
Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 12:52 pm
by Boidhre
Thank you for your patience mitsun.
Edit: The solid connection habit came from when I'd been playing for a few days and being told by a SDK not to make hanging connections until I was much stronger.
Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 3:30 pm
by EdLee
Bill, thanks, very tricky (see 2-step ko var
)
Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 3:33 pm
by EdLee
Boidhre wrote:The solid connection habit came from when I'd been playing for a few days and being told by a SDK not to make hanging connections until...
Yes, very tricky. Now you are ready to consider both every time and choose the better one, or tenuki.
Re: A beginner's journal of little interest
Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 3:51 pm
by Boidhre
And this is why I have this journal so these bad habits picked up from when I was weaker can be pointed out to me explicitly and expunged.
Re: A beginner's journal of little interest
Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:03 am
by Boidhre
My opponent thought I'd improved over yesterday:
http://www.lifein19x19.com/forum/download/file.php?id=1974
Also beat a KGS 3k handily with 8 stones which I was happy with. Just looking for general thoughts on this game rather than a full review. Was I aggressive enough in the opening? Did I become too passive again in the middle game? I know I messed up in the bottom left quite badly, I think the extension was a case of big over urgent.
Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 2:39 pm
by EdLee
Re: A beginner's journal of little interest
Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 2:53 pm
by Boidhre
Thank you for the review Ed.
Re: A beginner's journal of little interest
Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:00 pm
by skydyr
I didn't see it mentioned in Ed's review, but in the bottom left, white messed up originally. White needed to cut instead of connect at b4, so as to get the other leg at d2 in sente. I'm pretty sure that until move 70, a black play at B1 makes a ko in the corner, though black has to pick a good time to make it so that his two groups on the side don't get into danger or have lots of local threats against them.
Re: A beginner's journal of little interest
Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:07 pm
by Bill Spight
Boidhre wrote:My opponent thought I'd improved over yesterday:
Quite possibly.
Also beat a KGS 3k handily with 8 stones which I was happy with. Just looking for general thoughts on this game rather than a full review. Was I aggressive enough in the opening?
I would say so.
Did I become too passive again in the middle game?
I don't think so.
I know I messed up in the bottom left quite badly, I think the extension was a case of big over urgent.
You mean the extension on the bottom side at
? You can make a case for the solid connection at D-05 or for starting the ko right away at B-01. (OC, you overlooked the ko. That being the case, the solid connection looks good.
)
Re: A beginner's journal of little interest
Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:10 am
by Boidhre
Thank you Bill and Skydry, yes I completely missed that ko. :/