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Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

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Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:13 am
by Joaz Banbeck
To Violence, Daniel, Gresil, Shapenaji, and observers:[EDIT UNhide]There seems to be a forced sequence ahead of us:
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O B 6 O . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O 3 2 1 4 . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Gresil has obviously seen it, or he would not have made an anti-shape move as the marked stone. I'm willing to assume that both of you older brothers will see all of this too.
I suggest that you black players similarly assume that Chew Terr will see this sequnce. I obviously see it, and Shapenaji will also.

I propose that we jump to the above position. Then it would be Terr's move.
What do you say?[/hide]

To Terr:
The hidden part above this one is a suggestion that we play what I believe to be a forced sequence of a handful of moves. To suggest it to you with the details would technically be against the rules, although you almost certainly have deduced it yourself already.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:31 am
by Violence
Response:
Er... Daniel hasn't mentioned that sequence, but I guess he will now.

I'm all for it.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:48 am
by Gresil
Joaz:
Sure.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 11:51 am
by shapenaji
@Joaz
I'm cool with that

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 2:42 pm
by daniel_the_smith
Let's try something new:

Approved.
Oh. Right.

I'm not sure why I thought this didn't work.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:28 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
Ok, thanks to everyone for helping speed up the boring parts.

@Chew Terr: Please read the post at the top of this page. I unhid the relevant part. Assuming that you agree to the shortcut too, we are now here:
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
..and it is your move.

( Technically, you do have the option of declining and forcing the opponents to find this sequence bit by bit. )

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:18 am
by daniel_the_smith
Doesn't Violence need to change my move first? :roll:

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:25 am
by Violence
Haha, I agreed to this sequence.

Don't worry though, I'll be sure to change something later.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:48 pm
by Chew Terr
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[go]$$Wc Move 111 W52 B49
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O W . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Could someone please add the move number and the numbers of captures? I'm afraid to mess it up. Also, Joaz/Shape, feel free to offer any of my analysis as triggers. Just don't do it if it'll help B avoid the numerous
probably flawed
traps therein!

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[go]$$Bc 103A W52 B49
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X B . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O 1 7 W . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O 4 3 2 5 . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . 6 9 8 . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Okay, this is the diagram I posted with my last move. Glad we got this far, now to look at it a bit more.
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X . . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O b a . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
These are the options I'm going to look at, so here goes.
a:
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O C O X 8 d . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . 5 O 2 1 c . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . 4 3 6 . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
c:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X 9 |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O 8 |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X 5 4 7 |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X C 3 6 |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O C O X X 1 . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . O O X O W . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . X O X 2 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Option C fails, then. Let's have a look at D.
D:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X 2 . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O 4 . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O C O X X W . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . O O X 3 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . 8 O 5 e . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . 7 6 9 . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . 0 f . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
E:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X z . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X 9 |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O 7 |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X O . 8 |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O 6 |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O C O X X O 5 |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . O O X X X 4 |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . X O X 1 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O O X W 3 |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . O 2 0 |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Looks like a ko fight where we have to find the first threat. Obviously there are NO threats this large. However, we could probably live with a small group on top with a threat at 'z'. Even so, this seems like a game-ender... Let's look at option 'f'.
F:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X 7 |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O 6 |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X O 9 5 |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O C O X X O 4 |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . O O X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . X O X . 3 |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O O X 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O X 2 |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . O W 8 |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Okay, so this looks like a false seki (false because N15 would die eventually). Let's look at a variation within this F.
F2:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X C 5 9 |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X 4 |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X O . 2 |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O C O X X O 3 |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . O O X X X 6 |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . X O X . 7 |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . O O X 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O X 8 |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . O W 0 |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Okay, so this seems to be either another false seki or another ko we can't win.
b:
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O 5 9 |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X 2 4 0 |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O 1 3 7 8 |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . 6 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Could be followed by this:
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O O |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X X X |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O O O X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . 7 6 2 X 4 |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . 0 8 5 1 3 |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . 9 . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Or this:
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X 9 . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O O |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X X X |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O O O X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . 1 X 3 |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 2 4 |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . 8 6 . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
10 connects at 3
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O O |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X X X |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O O O X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X X |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . 1 X X 8 |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . 7 2 O 5 |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O 3 4 6 |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
9 at 5, 10 captures, 11 at 'a' kills.
Okay! 'b' looks like it works! I think that my brain is fundamentally unable to process any more/deeper, so I'm going with it! To summarize, here is my plan:
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O 5 9 |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X 2 4 0 |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O 1 3 7 8 |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . 6 . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X 9 . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O O |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X X X |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O O O X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . 1 X 3 |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 2 4 |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . 8 6 . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
10 connects at 3

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O O |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X X X |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O O O X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X X |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . 1 X X 8 |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . 7 2 O 5 |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O 3 4 6 |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
9 at 5, 10 captures, 11 at 'a' kills.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 8:14 pm
by CSamurai
Not for white.
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X O . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O O O |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X X X X |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O O O O X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . O X X |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . 1 X X . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . 7 2 O 5 |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O 3 4 6 |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
8 at 5?
Edit. Augh, misread. 5 is still in place.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:30 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
I approve.
I agree with Terr's analysis that all of the other lines don't work. It is not clear to me that this does, but if any line works, this is it.

It depends upon how many liberties we get up top. I've been looking at it a lot. ( "Dear, It's 2:00AM! Will you PLEASE quit playing go and put the laptop away?" ) Sometimes it looks like three liberties, sometimes like four, sometimes like three plus a ko.

If we have enough liberties, we kill. If not, black kills us. The ko that sometimes appears is too complex to be sure of.


And if we do get killed, at least this line enables us to come out of it with a big wall and a chance at grabbing big territory in the lower right:
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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . 6 . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X 2 4 . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O 1 3 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X 7 . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:14 pm
by shapenaji
Approve
As I remarked previously, I see this ending well for us. This move is correct, though I may have to yank Joaz away from sacking our groups...

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:55 am
by Violence
To White:
Normally I wouldn't suggest this, but can't we just play the only move for black as a trigger and pass it back to you guys? It's not like the only move isn't blatantly obvious here, right?

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:14 am
by Chew Terr
One-move trigger for B
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X 1 . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O W 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If 1, then 2.

Re: Big Brother Malkovich # 1 (continued)

Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 1:23 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
@Violence:
I think that you might need a note to your teammates, because this kind of trigger could inadvertently make people feel like they are being locked out.
If it is ok with all three black players, we'll take Violence's suggestion, add Terr's trigger, which brings us to this:
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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O O . O X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . O X X . . . X . . O X X . . |
$$ | . X X O O X O X . X X O X . O O X . . |
$$ | X X O X . X O O X O X . O O . X O . . |
$$ | . O O X . . . O . O X O O X X X X X . |
$$ | . . O X . . X . O . X O X O O O O O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O X X O X X X X . . . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . O . X X O O X X O . . |
$$ | . X X O X . X . . O O O O X O X 1 . . |
$$ | . O O O . . . . . . . . . . O W 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
...which I hereby approve, and then it would be Shapenaji's turn to approve.
I'm going to choose the move that assumes that we lose up top. If we do indeed lose up there, we are going to need every spare stone to have a chance of winning.
However, if Shapenaji sees a way of winning up top, we'll be ahead by a bit with a big wall, so the one stone that it costs us when he overrules me won't matter that much.
@Shapenaji: Approve if you think we lose the fight, or S10 if you think we can win.
Is everyone ok with this? Daniel? Gresil?
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