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Re: Shapes to remember (SDK level)

Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2020 4:03 am
by jlt
I played one game on Tygem this morning, which got me promoted to 1d.

Position #34, Black to play in the lower-right quadrant. Several good moves are possible, but I thought I would record a sequence shown by Katago whose idea is not (yet) natural to me.

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[go]$$Bc Black to play
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bc Possible answer
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O 2 O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . 5 . . . . 4 1 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Alternatively, Black may play :b3: directly.
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[go]$$Bc Possible answer
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . 3 . . . . 2 a . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
The idea is the same, :b1: forces :w2: because it threatens "a".
Not sure why Katago slightly prefers the first sequence, though.

Of course, many other good moves are possible:
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[go]$$Bc Other possible moves
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . a b . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . |
$$ | . . e f . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . |
$$ | . . c d . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . O . O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . g h . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Shapes to remember (SDK level)

Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:12 am
by jlt
Position #35, White to play.
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[go]$$Wc White to play
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O O X X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O X O X O . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O X X O . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X O O X X . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O O O X X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . X X O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X . O O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O O . O O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X X . X X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wc Possible answer
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O O X X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O X O X O . . 3 . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . O O O X X X O X X O 2 . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X O O X X 1 . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O O O X X . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . . |
$$ | . . . , X . . . X X O O X X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . X . O O X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O O O . O O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O X . O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O X . X O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X X . X X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
The group :w3: separates two black groups. White can try to kill one of them. The continuation is not easy to read but anyway White has nothing to lose, since everything happens in Black's area.

Other moves instead of :w1:, like L15 or M15, are also possible, with the same idea.

Re: Shapes to remember (SDK level)

Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2021 2:32 pm
by jlt
This one shouldn't be hard.

Position #36, White to play.
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[go]$$Wc White to play
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , . X . X . , . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . O . . . . O O . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Answer
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[go]$$Wc answer
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X 2 . . . . . . . X . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , 1 X 3 X . , . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O O . O . . . . O O . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wc If Black pushes instead of blocking
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . O . . . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X 5 . . . . . . . X . . . X X . |
$$ | . . X , 1 X 4 X . , . . . . X X X O . |
$$ | . . . . O O 2 O . . . . O O . O O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . 3 6 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
White's shape is cut bur so is Black's, and White has sente.

Re: Shapes to remember (SDK level)

Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2021 4:39 am
by jlt
Position #37, Black to play.
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[go]$$Bc Black to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O O . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . O O O . . . . . . X . |
$$ | X . X . O . . . X X O X . . X X X O . |
$$ | . X . . . O . . X O X X O . O X O . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . O O O . . O . O O . O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O X . X O O O X . X O O . . |
$$ | . O O . . O . X O . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Answer:
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[go]$$Bc answer
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O O . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . O O O . . . . . . X . |
$$ | X . X . O . . . X X O X . . X X X O . |
$$ | . X . . . O . . X O X X O . O X O . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . O O O . . O . O O . O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O X . X O O O X . X O O . . |
$$ | . O O . . O . X O . . 4 O 3 X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 8 X O . O 6 1 2 5 . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 9 . . . 0 . 7 . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Black forces White to live in gote, and is now almost alive.

Re: Shapes to remember (SDK level)

Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2021 6:23 am
by gennan
jlt wrote:Position #37, Black to play.
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[go]$$Bc Black to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O O . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . O O O . . . . . . X . |
$$ | X . X . O . . . X X O X . . X X X O . |
$$ | . X . . . O . . X O X X O . O X O . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . O O O . . O . O O . O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O X . X O O O X . X O O . . |
$$ | . O O . . O . X O . . . O . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X O . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Answer:
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[go]$$Bc answer
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . O O . . |
$$ | . . X , X . . . . , . X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . , . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . O O O . . . . . . X . |
$$ | X . X . O . . . X X O X . . X X X O . |
$$ | . X . . . O . . X O X X O . O X O . O |
$$ | . . . X . . . O O O . . O . O O . O . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X X X X X X O . O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O X . X O O O X . X O O . . |
$$ | . O O . . O . X O . . 4 O 3 X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 8 X O . O 6 1 2 5 . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 9 . . . 0 . 7 . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Black forces White to live in gote, and is now almost alive.
Should black even play at 9? I think black might want to keep it as a ko threat. Also, white's response at 10 weakens black's eye shape.

Re: Shapes to remember (SDK level)

Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:24 am
by jlt
@gennan: you are right, :b9: should be played later in the game, the local sequence can stop at :w8:.

Re: Shapes to remember (SDK level)

Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2021 9:13 am
by jlt
Position #38, Black to play.
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[go]$$Bc Black to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . O O X . X . . . . . . X O . . X . X |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . X . X O X . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . O . . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Answer:
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[go]$$Bc Answer
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . 1 5 . . . X . |
$$ | . O O X . X . . . . . . X O 3 . X . X |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . X . X O X 2 X O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . O 4 . X O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O . O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . , . . . X . , . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . O . X . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Shapes to remember (SDK level)

Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2021 7:05 am
by jlt
Position #39, Black to play on the right side of the board. (The hane A5 is Katago's choice but another move is interesting and about as good.)
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[go]$$Bc Black to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X X O O X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O O . . O X X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . . , X O . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . X . . . O X X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . O X X O X . X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X X . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X O . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . O O O O X X X O . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . O . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Answer:
It may be possible to save the marked stones, or at least to use their aji efficiently.
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[go]$$Bc Answer
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X X O O X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O O . . O X X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . . O b . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . 4 3 . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . 2 1 . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X . O . . O . a . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . . , X O . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . X . . . O B B B B B B . |
$$ | . . . O . O X X O X . X O O B B O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X X . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X O . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . O O O O X X X O . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . O . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Katago prefers "a", but the subsequent fight is complicated.
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[go]$$Bc Followup with a
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X X O O X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O O . . O X X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . 0 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . 9 O 6 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . 4 3 7 . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . 2 1 . 8 |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X . O . . O . 5 . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . . , X O . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . X . . . O X X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . O X X O X . X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X X . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X O . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . O O O O X X X O . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . O . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
:b5: at "b" is inferior but simpler. Black managed to make a big reduction. The stones Q9 are dead but still have aji.
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[go]$$Bc Followup with b
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X X O O X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O O . . O X X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . 7 O 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . 4 3 . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . 2 1 . . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X . O . . O . 6 . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . . , X O . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . X . . . O X X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . O X X O X . X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X X . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X O . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . O O O O X X X O . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . O . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Instead of :w2:, White may try to kill Black like this:
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[go]$$Bc :w2: diagonal move
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X X X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X X O O X O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O O O . . O X X . X . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . . O 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . 2 6 3 . |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . . . . 7 . . 1 . a |
$$ | . . . O X . . . . . X . O . . O b 5 . |
$$ | . . . O X . X . . , X O . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . . O X . X . . . O X X X X X X . |
$$ | . . . O . O X X O X . X O O X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X X . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X O . . . . O . O O . . |
$$ | . O O O O X X X O . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X X X O . . O . . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Black is locally dead because "a" and "b" are miai for White, but Black has a tesuji at :b7: to kill one of the outside groups and thus live.

Needless to say, I am completely unable to read this in a game, but I thought that :b1: is an interesting move and worth remembering. Reading is necessaary to check if the move actually works.

Re: Shapes to remember (SDK level)

Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2021 4:05 am
by jlt
Position #40, White to play.
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[go]$$Wc White to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O X . X X . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . O O X O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | X O X . X X X X O X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | O X . X O O O O O X O . X O O . O O . |
$$ | O . X X . . . . X O X . O X O O X X . |
$$ | X X X O O O . X . O X . . X O X . X . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . X O X . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Answer:
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[go]$$Wc This kills the black group
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . 1 . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . O X . X X . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X . . . . O O X O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | X O X . X X X X O X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | O X . X O O O O O X O . X O O . O O . |
$$ | O . X X . . . . X O X . O X O O X X . |
$$ | X X X O O O . X . O X . . X O X . X . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . X O X . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
The other natural response, solid connection, doesn't work:
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[go]$$Wc Wrong answer
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . d c e . . . . . . O X O . . . . . |
$$ | . 1 O a O . O X . X X . O X . X . . . |
$$ | . O X 2 b . . O O X O . O X . . . . . |
$$ | X O X . X X X X O X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | O X . X O O O O O X O . X O O . O O . |
$$ | O . X X . . . . X O X . O X O O X X . |
$$ | X X X O O O . X . O X . . X O X . X . |
$$ | . O O X . . . . X O X . . X O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If White a, then Black lives with b. If White b, then Black a, White c and White has two cutting points d and e.

Re: Shapes to remember (SDK level)

Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2021 4:10 pm
by jlt
Position #41, Black to play.
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[go]$$Bc Black to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . O . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Answer :
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[go]$$Bc answer
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . b O 1 . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . O . X 2 O . . X . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . 3 a . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
If White block at "a" then Black plays "b" and gets a ponnuki. If White plays elsewhere then Black pushes at "a" and separates White into two groups; one of the groups is almost dead.

The following answer is inferior, I am not sure exactly why:
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[go]$$Bc inferior answer
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 4 O 3 5 7 O X . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . O . X 6 O . . X . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . 1 2 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This one is much worse: White lives and Black's central group is weakened.
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[go]$$Bc Wrong
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 3 O 1 7 . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . O 5 X 2 O . . X . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , 6 4 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Shapes to remember (SDK level)

Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2021 3:45 am
by gennan
jlt wrote: The following answer is inferior, I am not sure exactly why:
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[go]$$Bc inferior answer
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 4 O 3 5 7 O X . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . O . X 6 O . . X . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . 1 2 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I foresee possibilities for white to make some trade. For example:
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[go]$$Bc White can make a trade?
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 4 O 3 5 7 O X . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . O . X 6 O . . X . . |
$$ | . . X , O O . . . , . . 1 2 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . 8 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . O . . . O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Shapes to remember (SDK level)

Posted: Thu Mar 04, 2021 3:19 pm
by jlt
Position #42. I am Black in this game but this is White to play. Both players missed an important point between moves 56 and 79, until White finally got it.
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[go]$$Wc White to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . O . O O O . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . X , X . . |
$$ | X X X X X O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wc The only move
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . O . O O O . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . , . . . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W X a . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X X O 1 . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . X , X . . |
$$ | X X X X X O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This defensive move is big because it is double-sente, as it awakens the aji of the marked stones and forces Black to defend for instance at "a". Both players thought that the upper side was bigger, but this is not true, Katago doesn't even consider any move there.

Suppose that White plays K16 instead (which White did two moves later in the actual game). First of all, the upper side is still invadable at "c", but Black won't play there immediately. In the game I considered "b" but "a" is better because it is sente, and White shouldn't even connect the stone in atari!

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[go]$$Wc Wrong move
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . c . . . . . O . O O O . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . 1 . . . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X X O a . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X O b . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . X , X . . |
$$ | X X X X X O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Suppose Black plays "a" and White connects the stone in atari.
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[go]$$Wc Wrong move, continued
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . O . O O O . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . 1 . . . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X X O 2 . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X O 3 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O c a . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X b O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . d . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . . X , X . . |
$$ | X X X X X O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
White can't block at "a", otherwise the sequence b, c, d follows and White becomes a dumpling with no eyeshape. So White must defend at "b", Black continues with "a" and White has no base so must escape to the center.

So since :w3: is wrong, White must step back like this:
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[go]$$Wc Wrong move, continued
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . . . . O . O O O . |
$$ | . . O , . . . . . 1 . . . O X X X O . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X X O 2 . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . X O a . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . 3 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . d , . . . . X , X . . |
$$ | X X X X X O O . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O O X c . b . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Black can then either capture the cutting stone with "a", or take sente with Black b, White c, Black d.

Re: Shapes to remember (SDK level)

Posted: Sat Mar 06, 2021 12:19 pm
by jlt
Position #43, White to play.

I was so disappointed after losing the lower left corner and the liberty race at the center that I resigned at this point, however Katago says that the game is still balanced. So what can White to to get back into the game?
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[go]$$Wc White to play, do not resign!
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . . . . . X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . . . X . . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . O . O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O X X X X O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X X X . . O X O O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X X O O O O O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O X X O X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O X O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O O O O O X . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O X O . . . O X . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . X O O X X X . . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X X O O O X X , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . O X . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X O . O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Wc Possible sequence
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 9 1 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . O O X . 5 3 7 8 X 2 X . . O . . |
$$ | . . O , X X . 6 4 X . . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . O . O . O X . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O O X X X X O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . O X X X . . O X O O . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . O X X O O O O O X X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . X O X X O X . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O X O X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O O O O O X . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X O X O . . . O X . . . X O O . . |
$$ | . . X O O X X X . . X . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . X X O O O X X , . . . . . , O . . |
$$ | . O O X O O . O X . . . . . . X X X . |
$$ | . . . X O . O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
The main point is to use the stone N16 to get a free move at M18, which will make the invasion :w3: successful. The invasion is also possible because of the helping stones around H14.

Re: Shapes to remember (SDK level)

Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:43 am
by jlt
Position #44, White to play.
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[go]$$Wc White to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O X . |
$$ | . O O . O . O O X X . X O O . O X . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . . X , X O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . X . . O O . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O O O O , X X . X . , X . X |
$$ | . . . . X O X X O . O O X . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . X . X . . O O . . O . . . . O O |
$$ | . . X . . . . X . O . O O . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X X O . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . O O O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . O . X X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Answer:
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[go]$$Wc Double threat
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X O . . O O X . |
$$ | . O O . O . O O X X . X O O . O X . . |
$$ | X O X O . O . . X , X O X . . X X . . |
$$ | . X X . . . . X . . O O . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X O . . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , b O O O O , X X . X . , X . X |
$$ | . . 1 . X O X X O . O O X . X . X X O |
$$ | . . . X . X . . O O . . O . . . . O O |
$$ | . a X . . . . X . O . O O . . . X O . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . X X O . . . . X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . X O . O O O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . O . X X . X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X O . . . . . . X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Shapes to remember (SDK level)

Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2021 2:16 pm
by jlt
In this game, I was White and lost by 0.5. Yet Katago said that I was leading by about 20 points at move 113. Which opportunity did I miss?

Position #45, White to play.
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[go]$$Wc White to play
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . O O O X X . O O X X . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . X . . . O O . O |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O . O . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . O . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . X X X . O O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . O O O X , . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . O . X . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O X O O O . X . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X O X . . . O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Answer:
In the game I answered the shoulder hit with "a", but the move I missed was :w1: which attacks Black's eyeshape in order to make profit in the center.
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[go]$$Wc Answer
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . O O O X X . O O X X . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . . 1 . . . . X . . . O O . O |
$$ | . . . . . X . X O . O . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O O O . . . O . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . X X X . O O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . O O O X , . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . O . X . X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O X O O O . X . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X O X . . a O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Here is a possible continuation:
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[go]$$Wc Answer
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O X X . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . O O O X X . O O X X . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . O . X . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . O . . . . . O X X O . |
$$ | . . O . . 2 1 . . . . X . . . O O . O |
$$ | . . . . . X 3 X O . O . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . O O O 4 . . O . O X X . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O . X X X . O O . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . , . O O O X , . . O . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . X X . O . X 6 X . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . e O f X O . 7 5 8 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . X X O X X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O . . . 9 a b . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O O O X . . c . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X X O X O O O . B . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . X O O X O X . . d O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Now the marked stone is almost swallowed. Black still needs to defend the central group with a move like a or b. For instance if Black a then White c. If Black b then White d.

Note: several times Katago suggests the exchange White e Black f but I don't understand it.