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jlt v. hailthorn

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Re: jlt v. hailthorn

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:38 am
by jlt
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[go]$$Wcm50
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O X . . . X . . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . , O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I don't know if C8 was better. I chose L13: defend the weakest group while attacking.

Re: jlt v. hailthorn

Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2021 11:46 am
by hailthorn011
This is an interesting situation. Overall I don't feel like I'm playing from behind. I actually feel the opposite. I've got a good framework going. White's move is interesting because I planned to target those stones with my next move. Of course I've got my black stones completely surrounded. If they die that's game. I feel like I should be able to live. I think I'm going to take some time here. My first instinct is G16. J13 seems like another option for me. But if I play J13 I feel like white can divide my stones easily and running isn't really an option given white's position.

Re: jlt v. hailthorn

Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:29 am
by hailthorn011
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[go]$$Wcm50
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O X . . . X . . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . , O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 2 . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: jlt v. hailthorn

Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 11:47 am
by Kirby
I predict something like this:

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[go]$$Wcm50
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O X . . . X . . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . , O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . 2 . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O C . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . 6 4 3 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . 5 7 . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Then black tries to live inside. White's not in danger here, though, there is a cutting point to think about. But white has lots of space in the upper left corner, too..

So I guess I'd expect white to put pressure on black here - threaten to kill. If white kills black, that's great. But otherwise, white'll get stronger on the outside, and can move on to invade on the right and/or bottom when white (probably) gets sente:
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[go]$$Wcm50
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O X . . . X . . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . , O . O . . X . C . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . C . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . O O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . X . C . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . C . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
White actually has fewer points than I initially imagined - I wonder why that is. Maybe because of the low position in the bottom left?

But I'd say it's still a good game for white given that white can put pressure on these black stones, and have a good center presence, which will help when the game proceeds on the right and bottom.

Re: jlt v. hailthorn

Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:01 pm
by jlt
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[go]$$Wcm52
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O X . . . X . . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . , O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
My four stones are a bit thin, I need to strenghten them a bit. After that I'll consider a, b or c, I don't know yet which one.
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[go]$$Wcm52
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O X . a . X . . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . , O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . 2 1 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . b . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . c O O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: jlt v. hailthorn

Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:54 pm
by hailthorn011
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[go]$$Wcm52
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O X . . . X . . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . , O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . 2 . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: jlt v. hailthorn

Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:13 pm
by jlt
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[go]$$Wcm54
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O X . . . X . . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . 1 . . , O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
That's unexpected. I could cut, get a strong center and let him live a small life.
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[go]$$Wcm54
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 6 . . . . 4 5 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O X . . . X . . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . , O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X 2 1 O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . 3 X . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
(The above variation is a bit random, it's just to get an idea.)


But that might be too easy for him. Let's try to fight, I don't think I have much to lose.

Re: jlt v. hailthorn

Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:01 pm
by hailthorn011
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[go]$$Wcm54
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O X . . . X . . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O 2 . , O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: jlt v. hailthorn

Posted: Fri Jul 23, 2021 2:07 pm
by jlt
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[go]$$Wcm56
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O X . 1 . X . . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O X . , O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Shape move.

Re: jlt v. hailthorn

Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 1:17 pm
by hailthorn011
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[go]$$Wcm56
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O X . O . X . . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O X . , O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . 2 . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . . O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: jlt v. hailthorn

Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 3:19 pm
by jlt
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[go]$$Wcm58
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O X . O . X . . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . O X . , O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . 1 O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Cut the stone J13 to get a strong center, make H15 a false eye and thus force him to live, hopefully in gote with 2 points ? I can't read the life and death status of the group. Can he put pressure on G17 to live in sente?

Re: jlt v. hailthorn

Posted: Sat Jul 24, 2021 5:55 pm
by Kirby
Before, it looked like white had to play catch up by invading the right and bottom after getting strength from surrounding. Now, I'm wondering if white will capture.

Re: jlt v. hailthorn

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:18 pm
by hailthorn011
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[go]$$Wcm58
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O X . O . X . . O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . 2 O X . , O . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . X . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O O . . O . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . X . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X O . O . . . . . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . O O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: jlt v. hailthorn

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:31 pm
by hailthorn011
Actually I'm going to go ahead and resign here. My apologies, but thank you for the game.

Re: jlt v. hailthorn

Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:21 pm
by jlt
A bit disappointed by the premature ending but thanks for the game, the beginning was interesting nevertheless. And thanks to the viewers for their comments.
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