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151. Shadonra vs. illluck

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Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 1:51 pm
by Shaddy
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Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:21 pm
by illluck
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners:
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As planned. Giving the ponnuki does seem a bit painful, but I feel like breaking the top apart is worth it.

Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 2:32 pm
by Shaddy
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[go]$$Bcm41 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
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Thanks!

Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 3:09 pm
by illluck
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Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 4:06 pm
by Uberdude
@illluck

illluck wrote:As planned. Giving the ponnuki does seem a bit painful, but I feel like breaking the top apart is worth it.


"A bit"? Excruciatingly massively painful. I would save my stone without even thinking. No need to read. Even if it dies, I would rather that than give a ponnuki, because there is surely a way to gain somehow even if they die, and 2+ stones means lots of forcing moves. You are breaking the top with a heavy group.

Similar to move 40 of our game http://www.online-go.com/games/board.php?boardID=247460

Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 5:47 pm
by illluck
@Uberdude:
Thanks a lot, these things always make sense after they are pointed out XD I was thinking if I extend then black plays M17, after that J16 atari doesn't really work anymore. I had some trouble deciding whether the additional aji inside would be worth it, but I guess I don't really need to play J16 if I extend first.

Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 6:38 pm
by Shaddy
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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
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Can't omit this.

Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

Posted: Sun Jan 22, 2012 6:44 pm
by illluck
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Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:39 am
by Shaddy
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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
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Now I have two targets.

Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:59 am
by illluck
Um, did you also forget to post a move like I did? :p

Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:14 am
by Tryss
He played C17 if I'm right ^^

Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

Posted: Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:25 am
by illluck
Ah, I see, thanks :)


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Hehe, I did a rough estimate and felt a bit in despair because black seemed a LOT better and he hasn't even moved (please don't ask me to count - I'm incredibly terrible at it). Now black still seems better but the game feels playable :p

Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:11 pm
by Shaddy
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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


L12 is the vital point of the board, I think. I'll get that next.

Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 6:12 pm
by illluck
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[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Hopefully no time-out errors XD

Re: 151. Shadonra vs. illluck

Posted: Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:50 pm
by Shaddy
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm51 Prisoners: B-1 W-0
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Two weak groups. Let's kill both.
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