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Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:26 am
by skydyr
@marcus
My assumption is that he's playing farther away to avoid getting pincered in the hopes of making the most of his moyo. I think he may also be trying to keep topazg from playing book moves, so that his presumably better reading and fighting strength can show.

Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:33 am
by Magicwand
Marcus.
I can attack his stone better if he jump inside my side. My influence will need to play his role for me go win. This is one way to bring fight. We will see soon enough

Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:08 am
by topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O O . . W O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X B X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Got to go chop an onion for dinner - will explain later! :P

Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 1:08 pm
by Magicwand
P11

Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 4:13 pm
by topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O O . . W O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X B X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 4:43 pm
by Bill Spight
My guess:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 . 4 . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O O . . W O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X B X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Edit: Unhidden. :)

Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:20 pm
by Magicwand
Q9

Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:56 pm
by topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O O . . W O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X B X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think this will become a points versus gigantamoyo game soon :)

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2012 11:58 pm
by EdLee
topazg wrote:I think this will become a points versus gigantamoyo game soon :)
By soon, he means now. :)

Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:12 am
by Loons
@Edlee
When I said lots of potential I meant it in the literal sense that later a move like G6 could gain a lot of points.

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[go]$$Wc
$$ +---------------------------------------+
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . W . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O O . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ +---------------------------------------+[/go]

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 2:37 am
by EdLee
Loons wrote:When I said lots of potential I meant it in the literal sense that later a move like G6 could gain a lot of points.
Yes, I know what you meant, and I also meant in the literal sense I am not sure the moyo has "lots of potential" --
so we'll find out soon enough. :)

Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 5:01 am
by Magicwand
P7
my original defending move was P8 but I saw some weakNess so decided to play this way. They are both gote and this way is better Imo

Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 8:53 am
by topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . . O O . . 8 . . . . . . . 7 . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O O . . W O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X B X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Let's roll. At some point, I want to play this sequence:

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[go]$$Bcm50 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . 5 . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . 4 O 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O O . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Just because it's worth so many points... but, if White responds this way:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm50 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . 9 . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . 8 X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . 0 . 6 7 . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . 4 5 . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . O 3 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . O O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O O . . O O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X X X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I worry about whether this extra bit of wall will have too much of an impact on the middle. Actually, on second thoughts, maybe it's too thin, but the middle seems more important first to me.

Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:11 am
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . . O O . . 8 . . . . . . . 7 . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O O . . W O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X B X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i have no idea what he just played..
did he misplace the stone?????

Re: #190 - topazg vs magicwand

Posted: Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:14 am
by topazg
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm41 Prisoners: none
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . X . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . X O X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O O O . . . . . . . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 5 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . . O O . . 8 . 0 . . . . . 7 . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O O . . W O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . X . . . , . X X B X O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . X O X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This place is so huge I'm just going to try to induce magicwand to cut me off on dame, using connection threats to build something in the middle. I feel that White's walls are just too far away to attack this severely. I guess we'll see.