Page 6 of 9

Re: #249 Chiodus vs tj86430

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:47 am
by tj86430
I will spend some more time on this.

I'm really tempted to fill the ko, but I need to try to read a bit more

Re: #249 Chiodus vs tj86430

Posted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 11:55 am
by tj86430
Sorry Chiodus, I've been ill. I will try to make my move in a couple of days.

Re: #249 Chiodus vs tj86430

Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 12:38 am
by tj86430
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm51 :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X 1 X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have no idea how the lower right will develop after my tenuki, but I feel it shouldn't be a catastrophy for me. I'm confident that this is more important.

Re: #249 Chiodus vs tj86430

Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:43 am
by Chiodus
Don't worry, i'm late too!

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm51 :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I will go for invasion

Re: #249 Chiodus vs tj86430

Posted: Sun May 03, 2015 4:04 am
by tj86430
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm51 :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . X 3 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


At first I thought his latest move is a ladder breaker, but it turns out it isn't:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm53 :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 9 . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . 3 5 8 0 . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . X 1 2 4 6 7 . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm63 :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X 1 . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . X X O O . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . X X O O O X . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't really know what his intentions are, but I will probably find out soon.

Re: #249 Chiodus vs tj86430

Posted: Sun May 10, 2015 12:10 pm
by Chiodus
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm51 :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Edit to show move

Ok, i will continue to attack black stone

Re: #249 Chiodus vs tj86430

Posted: Sun May 10, 2015 6:11 pm
by DJLLAP
Chiodus wrote:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm51 :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . b . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Ok, i will continue to attack black stone



Instead of attacking the black stone, it seems like W is creating as many weak groups in B's territory as possible. His three stone formation around the right side reminds me of the common 9 handicap stone formation that I saw a lot when I was a beginner. The difference is that B has a lot of strength on both sides. It should be easy for him to mount a counter-attack and decimate W's chances. Off of the top of my head, "a" and "b" seem like likely responses.

Re: #249 Chiodus vs tj86430

Posted: Wed May 20, 2015 4:15 am
by tj86430
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm51 :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . 5 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I truly don't know what is best here, and the sequences are too difficult for me to read in any reliable detail, so I choose what my intuition tells me.

Re: #249 Chiodus vs tj86430

Posted: Wed May 20, 2015 4:17 am
by tj86430
BTW, Chiodus, I'm starting my yearly road-trip around Europe today, so I won't probably make any moves for week and a half at least - not that my playing has been too fast so far either.

Re: #249 Chiodus vs tj86430

Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 2:55 pm
by Chiodus
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm51 :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I connect to give strenght to my group

Re: #249 Chiodus vs tj86430

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 3:26 am
by Uberdude
White's ko threat was an utter failure. If you push into a knight's move as a ko threat the obvious and correct in most cases follow up is to push through breaking the opponent's shape:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm51 :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X 1 X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . X 2 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If you think black just answers at 53 and you didn't do enough then your ko threat was bad (and if you didn't have better threats you shouldn't have played the ko).

If you don't push through the move you play needs to be able to do something awesome if black does then play the obvious move of blocking. One idea is be in the right place to help the cut:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm51 :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X 1 X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . 2 . 5 . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . X 3 4 . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


but then black can play 55 and isn't dead and can reasonably fight so that's a failure too.

Re: #249 Chiodus vs tj86430

Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 11:11 am
by tj86430
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm51 :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This looks very natural to me. Expanding my base and robbing my opponent of his. Let his group float in the center. Perhaps I can kill it later.

Something like this would be another option:

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm51 :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . x x . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #249 Chiodus vs tj86430

Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 4:48 am
by Chiodus
Sorry for my big delay.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm51 :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Now i want to give tridimensionality to my group

Re: #249 Chiodus vs tj86430

Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2015 2:27 am
by tj86430
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm51 :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . 9 . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Pure intuition. Claims some territory and prevents his center group expanding it's eyespace into that direction. E10, K13 or O13 were other options

Re: #249 Chiodus vs tj86430

Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2015 10:08 am
by Chiodus
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm51 :b1: :w1:
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . . X X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O W . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X X X O . . O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . X . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . O X . . , . . . O X X X . . |
$$ | . . . O X X . . . . . X . O . O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I want to give strength to my group