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Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 4:00 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm41
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X . . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . 7 . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i like it sofar.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:10 am
by Kirby
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[go]$$Wcm41
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X . . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 8 . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This is kind of a sticky situation I've gotten myself into... First, I want to see how he responds to this move. Then, I will have a better plan.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 9:30 am
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm41
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X . . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . 9 O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
lets raise the ante and see if how he answer.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:27 am
by Kirby
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[go]$$Wcm41
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 0 O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X . . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I kind of wish he hadn't played there. On my last move, I wanted to do something like this:
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X . . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . 5 . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . 4 2 O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 3 1 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
But I thought it was too risky. The good part about this one is that the marked stones work well on the right:
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[go]$$Wcm41
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X . . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . B B . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
But now it's awkward for me to play those moves, and he still got to extend his stones there, anyway...

Oh well. I will have to figure out a way to live smoothly in here. He'll probably get sente, which is unfortunate, but I have to live with it for now.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:12 pm
by Aphelion
To Kirby:
Why are you so worried about living, and in gote even? White doesn't look very alive to me either.

Seize the flow!

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:32 pm
by Magicwand
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[go]$$Wcm51
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X . . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
probe.. if he block it i have peeping aji

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:42 pm
by Chew Terr
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[go]$$Wcm51
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . 2 . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . 4 3 . . X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X 5 X . . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . 6 . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |[/go]
I don't think this aji would be too horrible for Kirby? I know MW has to reach a little farther because he gave such a large handicap, and I know aji doesn't have to work right away, but I'm not sure this threat it good enough for him.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:31 pm
by amnal
Chew Terr wrote:
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[go]$$Wcm51
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . 2 . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . 4 3 . . X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X 5 X . . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . 6 . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |[/go]
I don't think this aji would be too horrible for Kirby? I know MW has to reach a little farther because he gave such a large handicap, and I know aji doesn't have to work right away, but I'm not sure this threat it good enough for him.
That isn't the only aji in the area. For instance, white could peep at 56 instead of playing your 55. That could be immensely useful later.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:46 pm
by Chew Terr
amnal wrote:
Chew Terr wrote:
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[go]$$Wcm51
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . 2 . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 1 X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . 4 3 . . X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X 5 X . . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . 6 . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |[/go]
I don't think this aji would be too horrible for Kirby? I know MW has to reach a little farther because he gave such a large handicap, and I know aji doesn't have to work right away, but I'm not sure this threat it good enough for him.
That isn't the only aji in the area. For instance, white could peep at 56 instead of playing your 55. That could be immensely useful later.
Thanks, hadn't considered that option.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:26 pm
by lightvector
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm41
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X . . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This move struck me as an odd direction of play, given white's weak stones on the top and black's moyo potential. Diving down to the lower right to secure the corner right now feels misplaced.

Although, Q2 is decently large territorially and activates much aji in the M3 area, so I'm not sure. Does anyone else have thoughts here?

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:09 pm
by Aphelion
@lightvector
I've felt a long time watching Kirby's games vs Magicwand that he is too fond of this descent. In the previous discussion over "capturing the flow", I specifically had this move in mind. I feel like Kirby too often takes a gote territorial play that isn't related enough to what is happening on the rest of the board, and often loses the initiative in the game that way.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 7:23 am
by Kirby
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[go]$$Wcm51
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . 2 . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X . . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Well, this move keeps his stones a bit weaker, and me a bit stronger. I should be safe to play here, though the ice is a little thin:
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . 1 . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O 5 O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O 4 2 3 . . X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X . X . . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . 1 . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . 3 2 7 . X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X 4 X . . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . 5 6 . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . 1 . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . 3 2 . . X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . 8 7 X 5 X . . X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O 9 6 4 . . . X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 0 X . O . . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm11 Can make eye space in "a" area.
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . X . O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X O . O X O O . O O X . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X O . . X X O . O X . . |
$$ | . . . X . O X X X X a a X O . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X O O . a a X O . X O . . |
$$ | . . . . . 1 O X . O 3 . X O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . 2 . . . . O O X X . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . O . . O , . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 1:33 pm
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm51
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this is my wishful thinking. it might work.
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Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2010 7:32 pm
by hyperpape
Magicwand wrote:
this is my wishful thinking. it might work.
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It does seem like wishful thinking to me. I guess white would win the ko, but is that really so bad for Black? He'd be thick in the center. And white's going to have a hard time handling the right.

Re: Magicwand vs. Kirby: Four Stones Revisited

Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2010 6:03 pm
by Jedo
Perhaps Kirby has shown me the way to handle handicap fighting!

I'm trying to figure out why he got such a good result, while I just end up in a null result despite my assistance. It probably has something to do with vulgar moves, i.e. pushing but not cutting or misunderstanding what the purpose of different groups are.
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