#76: CSamurai (5k) vs fwiffo(4k)

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Re: #76: CSamurai (5k) vs fwiffo(4k)

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Sorry for the long wait. I kinda have been swallowed by RL while not working.

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[go]$$cm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . 9 X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


OK, well, there's a slight problem. Now that he's out into the center, I can't strongly attack this group, but.. my group that I'm playing on has a fatal weakness. Playing on the weak spot gives me enough room for life, but feels like cowering, so instead I'm going to play here, trying to push my group out into the center. Very soon, I need to play on the left to even the game up again. I think this is sente, and keeps me alive, even after he responds, so I should get to play on the left next. The reason I think it's sente is..

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[go]$$cm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X a X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . 8 6 0 X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . 9 7 3 O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O 4 1 5 . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 2 O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If white tries to keep their threatened stone, life becomes interesting for white. 81 at a makes white very unhappy. Atari on the other side is slightly worse. White can abandon the threatened stone, but black secures life, and moves on.

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[go]$$cm69 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 2 O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . 1 X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think this is how the next few moves play out.
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Re: #76: CSamurai (5k) vs fwiffo(4k)

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No prob, I know how that goes.

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[go]$$cm61 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . 0 . . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm playing defense, so making contact with strong enemy stones is a good way to make shape and push my way out. I'm gonna try to lean alternately on each side and carve out some breathing room. I don't have to immediately respond directly to :b69: because that one white stone is completely expendable.
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Re: #76: CSamurai (5k) vs fwiffo(4k)

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[go]$$cm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O 1 . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, he's offering to seal me in. I'm continuing to offer to split him up. This doesn't change the plan to move of the left as soon as I can, which is why I went with this move.
Locally, I'd prefer....
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[go]$$cm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . 1 X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O . . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


but it isn't really sente, and I'll lose the chance to move on the left. The move on the left is too important to let pass.

White has to respond to this, hopefully afterwards I'll get to move away from this fight.
Results if White ignores:
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[go]$$cm73 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . 5 , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . 3 O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . 4 2 O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . 1 . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]



White is heavy and eyeless. Prime time to use attacking to reduce. White should respond, and I should get my move on the left.
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[go]$$cm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . 2 O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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[go]$$cm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 3 X . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


As talked about previously, this has been on my mind for a few moves now. White will descend and I'll jump out with these stones in order to reduce white's left side. We'll see how white responds.
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[go]$$cm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X 4 . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

That's very annoying timing. I'm not strong enough to block him underneath, so I'm going to have to settle for this. This probably puts me significantly behind at this point.
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[go]$$cm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | 5 O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, that was a little unexpected. Not bad for me. White's stones are still weak, and if he doesn't keep playing on them, I can play at d7 and cause problems for white. Given that, white needs to play at or around d7 himself. after that, I probably get a move elsewhere.
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[go]$$cm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Forced, but now I'm at least stable here. I've still gotta stabilize my right side group, and then I need to find a way to catch up.
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[go]$$cm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . 7 , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Ok, So, what we need to do now is keep the center from turning into a large source of points for white.

I want to slip this peep in for later aji, and then we're going to follow up with some forcing plays in the center.

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[go]$$cm77 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . 1 2 . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . 7 . . 6 O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . 5 . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . 3 O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . 4 O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This way leave's white's left group one eyed and needing to run again, and let's me further reduce the top. My goal is to continue to reduce so that my bottom territory becomes the largest thing in the game. The upper left corner is also large, and hard to reduce. We'll see how white procedes.
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Re: #76: CSamurai (5k) vs fwiffo(4k)

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[go]$$cm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . X 8 . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think this might be an overplay. Not sure what to expect here; we'll see what he has in mind.
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Re: #76: CSamurai (5k) vs fwiffo(4k)

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[go]$$cm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . X O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . 9 O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


So I thought a lot about some alternatives to this move.

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[go]$$cm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . X 8 . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . a 9 O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This and A were the most likely alternatives, offering to pull the peep out. I'm not sure that it's worth it. The peep was to make white a little heavier here and add some aji to the top. Making my single stone heavier/more imoportant seems to be aji keshi. So instead, I'm going with my original plan of reducing the impact of the center.
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Re: #76: CSamurai (5k) vs fwiffo(4k)

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[go]$$cm71 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . X O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . 0 X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I'm kinda sick of being pushed around. I'm fairly certain I can hane here without worry.

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[go]$$
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . 1 . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 2 O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . W X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]

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$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . 3 . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 2 1 O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . 4 W X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]

The hane gives me the breathing room I need in order to move on to other things.
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Re: #76: CSamurai (5k) vs fwiffo(4k)

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[go]$$cm81 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . X O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . 0 X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


This is a pretty good play by white. It allows them to put pressure on my weak group, and make me more defensive, as well as to try to make more eyespace for their group. I could try to split it up by cross cutting, but I don't need to kill this group, I just need to keep my group alive. So, hane on the outside allows me to reduce the danger to my group, and keep the pressure on white. At this point, I want to get a move up top, to keep white's isolated stone dead, since the wall makes even more aji on that stone. Even without that, the largest territory on the board is my bottom side. If I can take sente out of the center, I'll probably play up top.
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Re: #76: CSamurai (5k) vs fwiffo(4k)

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[go]$$cm81 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0.5
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . O . X . O . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , . O . . X O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O . . X . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . |
$$ | . . X . O . . . . . X . X . O O X X . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . X O X . X O O O O . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . O O O O X . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , O . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . . X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . 2 O X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | X O O . . . . . . . . . . O . . O O . |
$$ | . X O O O . . . X , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X X X . X . . . . . X . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If he doesn't fix that cutting point, I can aim for that later.
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Re: #76: CSamurai (5k) vs fwiffo(4k)

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I think your move numbers got confused. Or maybe you don't like the numbers 82-89.
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