Yithril (4d) vs. Kirby 3 stone game

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Re: Yithril (4d) vs. Kirby 3 stone game

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Re: Yithril (4d) vs. Kirby 3 stone game

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[go]$$Wcm41 Has Captured: B - 4, W - 3
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I thought briefly about this double hane:
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[go]$$Wcm41 Has Captured: B - 4, W - 3
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... But why should I introduce a bunch of aji here?
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Re: Yithril (4d) vs. Kirby 3 stone game

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[go]$$Wcm41 Has Captured: B - 4, W - 3
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[go]$$Wcm41 Has Captured: B - 4, W - 3
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Yay for joseki. That went pretty much as I planned. That area is Black's, unless something horrific happens. I mean I guess I could try some stuff like peeping at A but the only move I probably have there is to reduce at B. Now, the reason I wanted to make a group here was to make it so the bottom side wasn't worth much for Black so I could play at C. I think Kirby will try and attack my group on the right though. I'll have to think about what I'll do then.
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Re: Yithril (4d) vs. Kirby 3 stone game

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OK, so I have sente... Now I have to think about how I want to use it.

I'm thinking of these areas at the moment:
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[go]$$Wcm41 Has Captured: B - 4, W - 3
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The spot marked "e", in particular, seems pretty slow. I'm kind of leaning toward "a" right now... But I want to think about it a bit more.
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[go]$$Wcm41 Has Captured: B - 4, W - 3
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Meh, let's go with it...
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Re: Yithril (4d) vs. Kirby 3 stone game

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I'm not a fan of Kirby's last move. If B wanted to pressure the P3 group, then J3 is clearly better. But if B wanted to develop the left, then F3 is better than G3 for the corner and threatening to turn it into territory with C5 (i.e: the relationship between F3 and C4 is stronger than the relationship between F3 and C5). G3 kind of sits on the fence between both of these objectives and it will give W an easier time in how he wants to handle the left side in the future.
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[go]$$Wcm41 Has Captured: B - 4, W - 3
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[go]$$Wcm41 Has Captured: B - 4, W - 3
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The normal move is to play at this or at A. This would make for a very long game considering Black probably has 20 points on the right and he would gain more corner territory again this way. I have one weak group, so I have to create a weakness somewhere and start some action. I don't have any other groups to worry about except for the group caught up in the fight.
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Re: Yithril (4d) vs. Kirby 3 stone game

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I have unhidden note #61. :)
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[go]$$Wcm41 Has Captured: B - 4, W - 3
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Only one way seems natural to me:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Has Captured: B - 4, W - 3
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Nothing else really makes sense to me. This seems like the natural progression.
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[go]$$Wcm51 Has Captured: B - 4, W - 3
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[go]$$Wcm51 Has Captured: B - 4, W - 3
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This seemed bad overall since I'd have to add another move in the corner to avoid ko when Black connects at a, and even if that weren't the case, Black b is just plain severe. I feel this way I won't be forcing him to make thick shape right next to my group.
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Re: Yithril (4d) vs. Kirby 3 stone game

Post by Bill Spight »

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[go]$$Wcm51 Has Captured: B - 4, W - 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . O X . . . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O X O . O . , . . O . . X . 1 . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


As I expected. :)

Now I wonder:

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[go]$$Wcm49 Has Captured: B - 4, W - 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . O X . . . . . . . O . a . . . |
$$ | . X O O X O . O . , . . O . . X . 1 . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . b . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Was :w49: better on the previous move? It threatens "a" or "b". :)


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Re: Yithril (4d) vs. Kirby 3 stone game

Post by Kirby »

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[go]$$Wcm51 Has Captured: B - 4, W - 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . O X . . . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O X O . O . , . . O . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I guess that's a response I didn't think about. I guess it's about the same, though.
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Re: Yithril (4d) vs. Kirby 3 stone game

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I guess it's not exactly the same this way. Maybe I don't get sente to attack his group, for example:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Has Captured: B - 4, W - 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X . O O . . . . . . . . 2 1 3 . . |
$$ | X X O . O X . . . . . . . O 4 X O . . |
$$ | . X O O X O . O . , . . O . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think white can tenuki in the diagram above...

Oh well, I guess I'll have to come up with a plan.
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Re: Yithril (4d) vs. Kirby 3 stone game

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[go]$$Wcm51 Has Captured: B - 4, W - 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . O X . . . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O X O . O . , . . O . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . 3 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Kirby's move was slack, it didn't put any pressure on me at all. I decided to directly connect all of my groups since there are no cutting tesujis here and now my weak group has a base and his doesn't.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Has Captured: B - 4, W - 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . O X . . . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O X O . O . , . . O . . X . O 9 |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X 4 5 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X 6 1 7 |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . 3 2 8 |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Doesn't appear to be anything.

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[go]$$Wcm51 Has Captured: B - 4, W - 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X . O O . . . . . . a . 4 3 . . . |
$$ | X X O . O X . . . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O X O . O . , . . O . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't want to make these exchanges because it lets him walk into my territory easily with a later.
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Re: Yithril (4d) vs. Kirby 3 stone game

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Kirby wrote:I guess it's not exactly the same this way. Maybe I don't get sente to attack his group, for example:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm1 Has Captured: B - 4, W - 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X . O O . . . . . . . . 2 1 3 . . |
$$ | X X O . O X . . . . . . . O 4 X O . . |
$$ | . X O O X O . O . , . . O . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think white can tenuki in the diagram above...

Oh well, I guess I'll have to come up with a plan.


I think that the time for a plan was before your last move.

Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Has Captured: B - 4, W - 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | X X O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X . O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X X O . O X . . . . . . . O . X O . . |
$$ | . X O O X O . O . , . . O . . X . O . |
$$ | . . X . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . 1 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . X . . . O . . . O O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Something like :b1: threatens both White groups. How's that for a plan? ;)


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Last edited by Bill Spight on Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:12 am, edited 2 times in total.
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