[go]$$Bcm62 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X O | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 2 . . O , O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . O , X . . . X , X . . | $$ | . . X O O X . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
To SDK and lower dan players: I hope a move like this comes to your mind immediately when you see this type of position. I think a lot of players in situations like this tend to over-think the position, but when there is a move this obvious it is usually right. There is really no need to read here either- this move is great shape, helps the more important white stones, and puts pressure on the black group in the center. You might look at L10 or some other type of extension as basically doing the same thing, but the reason that a move like this is so important is that there is no bad aji.
Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 7:16 am
by Puppycakes
I would think of that move if there wasn't already a stone at m12. Meaning that I could possibly take M12 if black didn't respond. Now black gets to peep at n9 and white ends up with inefficient shape. I probably would have played something like n9 to make a table shape myself.
Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 7:29 am
by topazg
@Puppycakes
Me too
Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 12:32 pm
by Shaddy
I ｌｉｋｅ ｔｈｅ ｇａｍｅ ｍｏｖｅ ｍｏｒｅ ｔｈａｎ ｔｈｅ ｔａｂｌｅ ｓｈａｐｅ， ｂｅｃａｕｓｅ ｗｉｔｈ ａ ｔａｂｌｅ ｓｈａｐｅ ｂｌａｃｋ ｃａｎ ｍａｋｅ ａｎ ａｔｔａｃｋｉｎｇ ｐｅｅｐ ａｔ ｔｈｅ ｏｎｅ－ｓｐａｃｅ ｊｕｍｐ。 The peep I'm allowed here does not really have attacking meaning to it.
Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 4:46 pm
by cloud
The table shape is better for defense, but it puts no pressure on black. White needs to attack here instead of just defending passively, especially in an area where black is already very strong (the lower right corner).
Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 5:19 pm
by Shaddy
All:
Hmm, the thing I would like to do most right now would be to swallow the three white stones. Black's position would be perfectly thick, and the game would be over.. unfortunately I can't find a way to kill them. More thinking..
Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)
Posted: Wed Mar 23, 2011 7:13 pm
by Magicwand
for obs only:
cloud wrote:
$$Bcm62 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X O | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 2 . . O , O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . O , X . . . X , X . . | $$ | . . X O O X . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm62 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O X X O | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . 2 . . O , O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . O , X . . . X , X . . | $$ | . . X O O X . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
To SDK and lower dan players: I hope a move like this comes to your mind immediately when you see this type of position. I think a lot of players in situations like this tend to over-think the position, but when there is a move this obvious it is usually right. There is really no need to read here either- this move is great shape, helps the more important white stones, and puts pressure on the black group in the center. You might look at L10 or some other type of extension as basically doing the same thing, but the reason that a move like this is so important is that there is no bad aji.
seriously? white's last move looks UGLY! black is spliting two white group which means one will die... and i see that he is planning to save both group..very kyuish thought.
Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)
Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:01 am
by cloud
All:
I am not at all worried about the three white stones dying. Black's center group is just as weak as mine and I control the whole left side of the board.
Re: 102. Shaddy (3d?) vs. cloud (3d)
Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 9:00 am
by unkx80
Observers only:
$$Bcm62 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O O O X X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O X O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . a O . O O X X O | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , a 2 . . O , O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . a . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O . . . . O , X . . . X , X . . | $$ | . . X O O X . . . O X . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
