126. EdLee vs Loons

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Outside hane :b35:; a few choices here for W. Read, read, read... :study:
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Re: 126. Loons v. EdLee

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[go]$$Wm34
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . 4 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O 3 . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . 5 . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . 6 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . W . . |
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$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
This is what I am anticipating, the marked stone should get hurt.

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[go]$$Wm34
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . 3 5 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O 4 . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Trying to push onto top seems bad for white compared to:
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[go]$$Wm34
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . 3 O 2 . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


I think white tenuki -> run with R12 or something is also a very real possibility, leaving top right as a very large gote.


PS: Ed, the game name should really be '126. Edlee vs Loons' considering you are white.
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Oh, Loons, I didn't know there's a naming convention. Also, I started the thread before nigiri,
so I just put your name first as common courtesy. :P (Been very exhausted the past few days --
long day trip ... as soon as my brain clears up, I'll post. Thanks. :))
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EdLee wrote:Oh, Loons, I didn't know there's a naming convention. Also, I started the thread before nigiri,
so I just put your name first as common courtesy. :P (Been very exhausted the past few days --
long day trip ... as soon as my brain clears up, I'll post. Thanks. :))


I use the same convention as you Ed :)
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[go]$$Wm36
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . . X 1 . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Both :w36: and the other hane :w1: have quite a few variations,
and they are all non-trivial for me to judge at this point,
so let's take it one move at a time.
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[go]$$W
$$------------------------
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . X . . . . 1 . . . . |
$$ . . . X . . X O . . . |
$$ . O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
The pull-back/extension :ws: feels quite heavy and B gets very thick outside:
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[go]$$B
$$------------------------
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . X . . . . 1 0 . . . |
$$ . . . X . . X O @ . . |
$$ . O . . . . 9 X 8 . . |
$$ . . O . . . 7 6 4 2 . |
$$ . . . . . . . X 5 3 . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
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Naturally. Naturally. I guess go would be pretty boring without surprises.
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[go]$$Wcm36 Leaning towards this
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . . . 2 . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Because...
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[go]$$Wm36
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . a . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O 2 c . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . e X 1 . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . . b 3 . f . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X d . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
Any combination of those letters is a headache for me. I think Ed still lives locally and hurts R12, though now I am wondering if I can wholesale kill his corner stones locally without giving him too many forcing moves, as another consideration.

Some probable mistakes:
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[go]$$Wcm36
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . 5 . 7 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . 6 X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . 3 X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . . . 4 2 . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm36
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O 2 . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . . . 5 3 . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X 4 . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


Oh, except my first diagram doesn't even seem to cut him properly.
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[go]$$Wcm36 (sort of problems)
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . . X O 0 . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . . . 2 8 9 . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X 5 3 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . 7 6 4 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O a . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
White will play a-ish. Not sure how much better starting on the other side (as per the proverb) is going to be. There is much afoot!

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[go]$$Wcm36
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . . . 2 5 4 . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X 7 3 . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . 9 8 6 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Bcm45 (demonstrative)
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O 1 3 . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . . X O 2 . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X O X 4 |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O 5 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6 7 . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , 8 9 . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 0 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm44
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . 3 . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . 4 X O 1 . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X O O . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . 2 X X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


Forgive my preference for diagrams over sgfs, I'll tidy this up later.

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[go]$$Wcm36 So, probable winner then.
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]


I think white vs black is conventional for game names, maybe that's just how KGS does it.
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Loons, I also name my game files as W-B. Does this mean anyone can rename the thread title?
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[go]$$Wcm36
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . . . . 2 . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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Trigger (Loons, I probably shouldn't have hidden it :P ):
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[go]$$Wm38
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . 1 X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . . . 2 X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
(p)
B could have done better; just connect with :b1: and force W to live in the corner.
Then, with :black:(a) and W's weakness at (b), etc., suddenly :wc: is in trouble:
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[go]$$B
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . b . . . . . X . . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . a . W . . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . W . . . . 1 . . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
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The trigger atari & connect seems forced. Reading the (a) atari, (b) atari, (c) connect... :study:
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[go]$$Wm38
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . a . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . b X O c . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |[/go]
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Can someone post the first move of Ed's trigger? I can make some guess, but I'd rather not.
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Oh, yes, I had rather guessed that. If you play P18 atari next, I extend.
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If :wc: second-line atari and :bc: extends,
then B makes the big ponnuki in sente with :b10:; seems ridiculously good for B:
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[go]$$W
$$----------------------------
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . X . . . 1 W 3 9 7 . |
$$ . . . . . X 4 B X O 2 6 . |
$$ . . . O . . . . O X O 5 0 |
$$ . . . . O . . . . X X 8 . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . O . . |[/go]
Variation: W also ends in gote, and B still looks good.
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[go]$$W
$$----------------------------
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . X . . . 4 W . 1 . . |
$$ . . . . . X . B X O 3 5 . |
$$ . . . O . . . . O X O 2 . |
$$ . . . . O . . . . X X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . O . . |[/go]
Strange variation: doesn't look too good for W:
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[go]$$W :b6: connects at :wt:
$$----------------------------
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . X . 8 9 1 W 4 . . . |
$$ . 0 . . . X 3 B X Q 2 . . |
$$ . . . O . . 7 5 O X O . . |
$$ . . . . O . . . . X X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . O . . |[/go]
So after the 2nd-line atari :w1:, B seems to do well thanks to the two :bs: stones:
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[go]$$W
$$----------------------------
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . # . . . . 1 . . . . |
$$ . . . . . # . 2 X O . . . |
$$ . . . O . . . . O X O . . |
$$ . . . . O . . . . X X . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ . . . . . . . . . . O . . |[/go]
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[go]$$Wm40
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . 1 X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . X O X . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . . X . X . O . |
$$ | . . O . . X . . X . . . O . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ -----------------------------------------[/go]
See previous post about the 2nd-line atari instead of this atari, :w40:.
More variations to follow.
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Better (tesuji):
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[go]$$W
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X 1 . X O . . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . . . O X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |[/go]
If :b2:, then :w3: and B still has to go back to fix the corner with (a) etc.:
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[go]$$W
$$ -----------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X 1 . X O a . . |
$$ | . . O O . . . . . O . . 3 2 O X O . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |[/go]
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