[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X . . . . , . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O O X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . 1 . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X . | $$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I must move out with my weak group.
edit: crapola, I just realized I misread the status of my group on the bottom. It's not alive yet. That means I am definitely losing.
Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger
Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 8:22 am
by daniel_the_smith
Hm, white is not looking all that great in this game. Will Zinger be able to pull it off?
Magicwand's games are very entertaining ^^
Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger
Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 8:38 am
by quantumf
W L2 leaves black with one eye, right?
Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger
Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 8:44 am
by daniel_the_smith
Lol, I missed an entire page of moves when I made my last comment.
I think black can make a second eye in the j5 area, but I tend to be overconfident in things like that.
Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger
Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 9:58 am
by fwiffo
I'm going way, way beyond my depth, but does this work after white L2 (assuming black can't escape or make an eye in the J5 area)?
$$W $$ . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ . . . . . . . O X X O O X . | $$ O . . . . . O . O O X O O . | $$ O X . . . X X O O O . . . . | $$ . O X . , X O X 0 . O . . . | $$ O . O . 7 5 6 X O . X O . . | $$ . O O 3 2 1 4 . X X . O . . | $$ . . . . . . . 8 . 9 . . . . | $$ ----------------------------
[go]$$W $$ . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ . . . . . . . O X X O O X . | $$ O . . . . . O . O O X O O . | $$ O X . . . X X O O O . . . . | $$ . O X . , X O X 0 . O . . . | $$ O . O . 7 5 6 X O . X O . . | $$ . O O 3 2 1 4 . X X . O . . | $$ . . . . . . . 8 . 9 . . . . | $$ ----------------------------[/go]
$$Wm11 $$ . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ . . . . . . . O X X O O X . | $$ O . . . . . O . O O X O O . | $$ O X . . . X X O O O . . . . | $$ . O X . , X . X X a O . . . | $$ O . O . O O X X O 1 X O . . | $$ . O O O X O X . X X 2 O . . | $$ . . . . . . . X . O b . . . | $$ ----------------------------
[go]$$Wm11 $$ . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ . . . . . . . O X X O O X . | $$ O . . . . . O . O O X O O . | $$ O X . . . X X O O O . . . . | $$ . O X . , X . X X a O . . . | $$ O . O . O O X X O 1 X O . . | $$ . O O O X O X . X X 2 O . . | $$ . . . . . . . X . O b . . . | $$ ----------------------------[/go]
Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger
Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 11:49 am
by topazg
I don't get it, Black just looks alive
$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X . . . . , . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O O X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . 1 . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X . | $$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . X . X O . O . . 3 . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . 5 2 4 . X X . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X . . . . , . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O O X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . b X X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . a . . O B B O O X . | $$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I have to be careful here. I think white is trying to get some safety for his right side group, which will weaken my group there. Then he can play a or similar, which I will have to answer by living with my bottom group, and he can attack my right side group strongly.
On the other hand, if I just connect on the second line, I have made a nice yose gain, since white loses the chance to capture and I gain the first line hane in sente.
I think if I connect, my right side group is not in terrible trouble yet. He will probably add another move there, then I can hop into the center again. He might be able to set up the cut at b, but in a pinch I can discard the marked stones, which costs less than he is giving me on the edge anyway. So I do it.
Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger
Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 2:13 pm
by Magicwand
$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X . . . . , . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O O X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , W . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X . | $$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X . . . . , . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O O X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , W . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X . | $$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
what i played is very urgent for both black and white. i made the game very complicated but..not complicated enough. but i think black is rattled by my complicated attack which is good. i assume he will make mistake and one mistake is all i need to win. i am not too far behind.
Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger
Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 9:59 am
by zinger
$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X . . . . , . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O O X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , 1 . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X . | $$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X . . . . , . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O O X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , 1 . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X . | $$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
OK, he took the shared eyespace on the right, but in gote. So I move out into the center.
I have to be careful to stay away from the bottom. Any move he makes in the K7 area might be enough to set up a kill of my bottom group. For example if I jump to K9, his peep at L8 could make a difference.
Eventually I will probably have to play K2 in gote to live. That won't feel good, but it is worth several points, so not a total loss.
Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger
Posted: Sat May 08, 2010 10:53 am
by Magicwand
$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X . . . . , . . . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O O X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , X . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X . | $$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X . . . . , . 1 . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O O X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , X . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X . | $$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I will try to break through, to keep pressure on his right side group. His last two moves there didn't help him all that much, I can still play S11 and connect above or below. The best defense to my own weaknesses is to make sure he has one too.
Re: 33. Magicwand v. zinger
Posted: Sun May 09, 2010 10:53 am
by Magicwand
$$c $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , X . . . . , W X . X . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . O . X O O X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O O O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , X . . . . , O . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . X . X . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X X O O X . | $$ | . . . X . O . . . . . O . O O X O O . | $$ | . . . . . O X . . . X X O O O . . . . | $$ | . . . X O . O X . , X O X . . O . . . | $$ | . . X . X O . O . . . . X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . O O . . . . . X X . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
