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Re: #143 1986 vs Nathan
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 5:56 pm
by 1986
@jts
well if i take sente here i got off the top of my head 3 variations, plus the othere 6 u requested come out to 9 variations WOW now thats home work
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Re: #143 1986 vs Nathan
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:24 pm
by 1986
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Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bcm49 Prisoners: a & b is next in seq i think this is the most complicated one so far
i gave a quick overview of what i have so far... yeah thats pretty much he jist of it
i gotta get a quicker way of making diagrams, maybe next time i will do sgf instead, yeah thats it
Re: #143 1986 vs Nathan
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 9:53 pm
by jts
@1986
Thanks a lot!
It's interesting to see what the players are thinking at any given time. Sorry for making you do lots of homework, you said you were reading out those options so I was just hoping you'd record them as you went along
Re: #143 1986 vs Nathan
Posted: Sun Dec 04, 2011 10:18 pm
by 1986
Re: #143 1986 vs Nathan
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 3:59 pm
by Nathan
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Re: #143 1986 vs Nathan
Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 8:41 pm
by 1986
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That group is still not near life so i can play on elsewhere so Well i'll take the move i was expecting him to play (go proverb: The enemy's key point is yours) now this changes up the cut fight because of the last two stones played
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:23 am
by EdLee
Hmm...
: if
instead, at least W can save some of the bottom
(the
stones look very unhappy):
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:34 am
by EdLee
With
, broken shape for W at the bottom, and the
stones _still_ look unhappy:
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:00 am
by EdLee
In 1986's variation,
allows W to connect back with
:
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Re: #143 1986 vs Nathan
Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 12:27 pm
by Nathan
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For this move I have considered both a and b below.
Both these moves feel important however if black gets b that seems worse than black getting a. Therefor I feel b is the correct move.
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Re: #143 1986 vs Nathan
Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 4:51 pm
by 1986
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hmmn, maybe he will double hane
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Re: #143 1986 vs Nathan
Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 5:38 pm
by jts
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Posted: Tue Dec 06, 2011 6:38 pm
by EdLee
In 1986's variation -- For some reason the bad habit
descend is very difficult to fix:
1986 wrote: $$Wm52
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, but if B wants to, the local reply is connect at
, not descend:
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Re: #143 1986 vs Nathan
Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 8:25 am
by Nathan
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The below sequences seems bad for white
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Re: #143 1986 vs Nathan
Posted: Wed Dec 07, 2011 12:17 pm
by 1986
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i gotta get a quicker way of making diagrams, maybe next time i will do sgf instead, yeah thats it 
It's interesting to see what the players are thinking at any given time. Sorry for making you do lots of homework, you said you were reading out those options so I was just hoping you'd record them as you went along 
: if 
instead, at least W can save some of the bottom
stones look very unhappy):
, broken shape for W at the bottom, and the 
allows W to connect back with 
:
descend is very difficult to fix:
, but if B wants to, the local reply is connect at