One thing I've appreciated more as time goes by is that when I think I don't even have to think about a move, I really do. I think bearing that in mind can give you a big improvement.
I'm not talking about responding to an atari, but when I see an obvious response to my opponent's move that makes it look bad. Almost every bad shape has times it's good. And when you look at your opponent's move and think "that's idiotic/a mistake/easy to answer", that's the time you're most likely to be wrong. And it's certainly the time that being wrong is going to hurt you the most.
Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:57 pm
by Sur
Isn't 1986 wrong with his first diagram? Isn't this some kind of tesuji for white?
$$Bcm50 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O . . . 7 6 . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X . . 8 2 5 O . . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O . X . . . 3 4 , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . 0 X . O . . X . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm50 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O . . . . O 7 . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X . . . O X O . . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O . X . . . X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
after thinking about it why not cut on this side and start a violent attack on the 3 heavy stones, yeah the other side is safer and cutting on that side makes life easier, but this is handicap so kill the sensei's stones
$$Bcm50 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 9 . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O . . . . 6 7 8 . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X . . . O X O . . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O . X . . . X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm50 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O . . . 8 O X . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X . . . O X O . . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O . X . . . X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Well, this should be interesting. Black can make a fight of it by defending his G3 group, but I'm still pretty comfortable. The scariest part of this fight for White is the weak J group.
Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:56 am
by 1986
$$Bcm50 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X . . . O X O . . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O . X . . 9 X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm50 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X . . . O X O . . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O . X . . 9 X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
i would like to nobi with my cutting stone just to take away the option from him but now its time to defend, i can't leave him a sente move like G4, so now i got 4 liberties instead of 2, and im thinking he will probably run with his weak group
$$Wcm57 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . 6 . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 4 5 . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O . . . 1 O X 3 . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X . . . O X O . . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O . X . . 2 X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm50 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . d . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . b c . e . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O . f . O O X a . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X . . . O X O . . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O . X . . X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
he dosen't have time to attack my group on the left, like white (f) if he runs then one group will suffer but its managable, i invision something like a-f or either just attacking the 3 heavy stones, either direction is ok because I have something to attack to so my group can thrive
Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 7:34 am
by Marcus
$$Bcm50 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X . . . O X O . . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O . X . . X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . 0 . . . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm60 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X . . . O X O . . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O . X . . X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
he is trying to build liberties for that weak heavy group, oh well at least i get to take his sente running move of the atari away, i would have played that first, then come back to make more liberties because i think its something like run before living according to the go of shygost & i just rather have sente
Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:26 am
by Marcus
$$Bcm60 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X . 2 . O X O . . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O . X . . X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm60 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O . . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X . 2 . O X O . . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O . X . . X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I still want to see him live. He's losing a lot of eye space.
I've done a lot of reading for this particular fight. I'm pretty sure I'm safe ... however, there's always the possibility, especially in a complicated fight like this, that I've missed a line, either because I dismissed it as something I shouldn't have to worry about (a bad habit, I know) or something I missed completely (I have numerous blind spots ... something I need to work on).
Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 9:15 pm
by 1986
$$Bcm60 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O 3 . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X . O . O X O . . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O . X . . X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm60 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . a . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O 3 5 . O O X . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . 8 X 4 2 7 O X O . . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O 6 X . . X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . O . . . . . . X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
my first thought was the knights move of (a), but i wanted to play more directly with the hane on the head of two stones, besides (a) lets him link up to easy
$$Bcm60 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 3 . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O 4 . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X . 2 . O X O . . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O . X . . X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . 5 O . . 6 7 . . X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . 9 8 . 0 . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm60 Prisoners: $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X O X . X . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X O O O X O . . . . X O . . . . . | $$ | . . . , O X X . . O . . X . . X . . . | $$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . 3 . . . X . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . O O 4 . . O O X . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . X . 2 . O X O . . X . . . . X O . | $$ | . O . X . . X X O , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . O X . . X . O . . X . O X X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . 5 O . . 6 7 . . X O O O . | $$ | . . . . . 9 8 . 0 . . . . . . X . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
and i dont like my follow up move to attack his heavy grup which im pretty sure i can kill, im still working on it but so far it would be very hard for white to live
Re: #147 Marcus vs 1986
Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:34 am
by hyperpape
The $64000 question is what you're reading after .
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Ah, liberties ... I'm not exactly sure how close this fight will be, but it's not going to be easy for him, that's for sure. However, I have to trust in my reading. I've now read a huge number of different lines, and I'm pretty sure I haven't missed anything, but let's see if he finds anything I missed.
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