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164. Twitchy Go v Wanderling

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Re: 164. Twitchy Go v Wanderling

Posted: Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:49 am
by Marcus
Wanderling needs more confidence.

Re: 164. Twitchy Go v Wanderling

Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 8:06 am
by Twitchy Go
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[go]$$Bcm49 Captures: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X . X . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . 9 . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

pulling my group out from behind enemy lines. Don't want to induce a response around the small knight on the left so jumping straight out instead of leaning. I also don't want to induce a response on the right because that's a large knight and I can disconnect it once I'm safe with 2 eyes. Plus I'm inside W moyo now and reducing it.

Re: 164. Twitchy Go v Wanderling

Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:14 am
by Wanderling
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[go]$$Wcm59 Captures: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X . X . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have no idea how to attack! Here's all the moves I considered. I think it's too early to touch his group, but which side to play from and how close I wasn't sure!

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[go]$$Wcm59 Captures: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X . X . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . i . a , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . b . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . f e d c . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . g h . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 164. Twitchy Go v Wanderling

Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2012 11:56 pm
by Wanderling
Bump! My bad for taking so long, Twitchy.

Re: 164. Twitchy Go v Wanderling

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:40 am
by Twitchy Go
No worries. This fight is perhaps a little big. I'll be taking a fair deal of time on my move :mrgreen:

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:11 am
by EdLee
For beginners. :b55: is bad -- Basic Broken Shape for Black:
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[go]$$B
$$--------------
$$ . . . . . . .
$$ . . . . . . .
$$ . . . X . . .
$$ . . . , . . .
$$ . . @ B X . .
$$ . . @ @ . . .
$$ . . B . . . .
$$ . . . . . . .[/go]
Wanderling wrote:Why do I feel like he has the advantage in this fight?
What Marcus said about confidence, which comes from improving your basics, such as understanding about broken shapes.
Twitchy Go wrote:First to defend the upper portion by defending my small knight against a cut...
Wrong.
Twitchy Go wrote:Attaching at 'b' gets me an eye...in gote...
Wrong.

Re: 164. Twitchy Go v Wanderling

Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2012 12:17 pm
by Twitchy Go
Not ready to make my move. But wanted to put down some of my thoughts so far.
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[go]$$Wcm59 Captures: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O B X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X . X . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . c O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O d . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X b a . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Wow. The marked white stone is scary. I havn't finished reading out life and death. But I'm really really looking for a way that doesn't just give white a lot of thickness facing the bottom of the board. I mean perhaps I could maybe live on the bottom after the exchange. I'll probably at least have the reduction at 'a', which could also be a forcing move to invade with. But that opens up a nasty corner reduction for W once he blocks 'b'.

Looking back at the post that accompanied the marked black stones play. I want to slap my self. I don't want to be greedy.. So I'm going to play away from the fight to try to take fifth line territory.. :oops: Heck playing away would have been better. I forced an exchange that strengthened White! I'm killing myself.
All I can really say to justify the move in retrospect is that I was probably afraid of W repeating the invasion in the upper left.

Well now is the time to start poking around to see what aji I can rustle up. My area of choice is the left side near the small knights move. I do the least harm to my potential territory by strengthening white here. If I induce a defense of the large knight connecting K14 and L11. White might get strong enough to invade deeply behind my iron pillar on the right. Now the points that look really interesting to me are 'c' and 'd'. 'c' will either give me an eye outright, or cutting points to make use of. I'm expecting to have to create complications for life though. :mrgreen: 'd' is unfortunately an unfavorable ladder, but I see some really interesting aji there if I can make the ladder bad for White. But this is always where I have trouble. What do I do first! Attaching at 'c' has some lines that make cutting at 'd' less attractive. But I can't try to set up a ladder breaker either. There's no way White wouldn't notice it. And if white defends I might lose all my aji! Right now though I think 'c' is probably going to be my move.


Edit: Changed my mind before I made rest of the diagrams.. so just left them out :lol:

Re: 164. Twitchy Go v Wanderling

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:06 pm
by Wanderling
Looking forward to your move, Twitchy- I am sure it will be a monster.

Re: 164. Twitchy Go v Wanderling

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 5:33 pm
by Wanderling
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[go]$$Wcm58 Captures: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X . X . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Re-posting my last move since it was numbered wrong. Thanks for bringing to my attention Twitch.

Re: 164. Twitchy Go v Wanderling

Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 8:19 pm
by Twitchy Go
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[go]$$Wcm58 Captures: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X . X . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O 2 . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

simple plan. Cut the small knight and try to make an eye where white doesn't defend.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Captures: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 8 X X X X X . X . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | 9 7 6 . O . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . 3 O 1 . 2 . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 4 . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . 0 . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm1 Captures: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X . X . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 4 O 6 8 9 . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O 1 3 7 . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
These are some of the more straightforward lines to illustrate the point. It's a bit of a rough way of handling things. But this group is in trouble, so much so I think I'm at the point where bad exchanges might have to be made to live :cry: Especially since its basically game over if it dies.

Re: 164. Twitchy Go v Wanderling

Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 2:20 pm
by Wanderling
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[go]$$Wcm58 Captures: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X . X . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X 3 . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Not sure how exactly to kill black's group but if he captured the marked stone his chance of living would be great I think.

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[go]$$Wcm58 Captures: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X . X . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , W . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . . O X 3 . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 164. Twitchy Go v Wanderling

Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 8:28 am
by Twitchy Go
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm58 Captures: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X . X . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , O . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . 4 O X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: 164. Twitchy Go v Wanderling

Posted: Mon Jul 30, 2012 3:39 pm
by Wanderling
Fyi we are on hold until Twitchy gets back from trip ETA 8/3, in case anyone was actually following our game.

Re: 164. Twitchy Go v Wanderling

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 1:55 pm
by Wanderling
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Wcm58 Captures: B-1 W-0
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X X O . . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X , O . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . O . . . O X X . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X X O . . . O O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X O . O . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | O O O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X X X X X . X . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . 5 O . . . . , . . . . . X X . . |
$$ | . X O X O . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . X O O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | X . X O . O . . . , . . . . . O . . . |
$$ | . X . X O . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I've received orders to resume. Soldier on! :salute:

Re: 164. Twitchy Go v Wanderling

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:18 pm
by The Intrepid
Wanderling wrote:Fyi we are on hold until Twitchy gets back from trip ETA 8/3, in case anyone was actually following our game.

Of course we are following the game. Keep it going! :clap:
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