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Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:21 pm
by LexC
$$Bm45
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Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 5:06 pm
by EdLee
$$Wm46
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Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee
Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 1:56 am
by SoDesuNe
The second volume of Takao, which deals with the 4*4 point is not yet published in English. Ishida shows this:
$$Wc
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According to Ishida 'a' and 'b' are roughly equal moves for White. All its examples derive from White 'b'.
$$Bc
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If Black has a stone on the top left star-point, he can play like this and build a framework.
$$Bc
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When the corner belongs to White. It goes like this.
$$Wc continuation
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According to Ishida, this is a middle-game-Joseki. White can next aim at 'a'.
$$Wc continuation 2
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wc continuation 2 is possible but White gets squeezed and hurts his stones on the right. After a-b-c, Black will throw-in left of
, then play 'd'.
$$Bc wrong
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It's wrong to push on the other side with
. According to Ishida: One should push on the side one cuts. 'a' and 'b' are Miai and the situation is out of control - but seems ladder-dependent.
$$Bc
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To play like this is cowardly, according to Ishida. White gets the superior result because of the Ponnuki. Black just connects on the second line.
Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee
Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:24 am
by LexC
$$Bm47
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Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:36 am
by EdLee
The
extend seems to be from what I remember in Ishida.
But I also looked at the ponnuki variations:
$$B
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ponnuki,
but in this case...? -- because of the tengen stone
, and because
after
W gets a broken shape. Then, (a) and (b) direction miai?
The
atari doesn't seem to work for B:
$$B :b5: at :bt:, :b7: connects
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Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:21 pm
by EdLee
$$Wm48
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Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee
Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:03 am
by LexC
$$Bm49
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Posted: Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:32 pm
by EdLee
$$Wm50 Prisoners: :b1:
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Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee
Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:35 am
by LexC
$$Bm51 Prisoners: :b1:
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$$Bm51 Prisoners: :b1:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Bm51 Prisoners: :b1:$$Wm60 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wm60 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:$$Wm60 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
Click Here To Show Diagram Code [go]$$Wm60 Prisoners: :b1: :w1:
This variation look better for white
$$Bm51 Prisoners: :b1:
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Posted: Sat Jun 23, 2012 11:25 pm
by EdLee
Was expecting this:
$$B
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Variation: Maybe not so good because W gets an extra sente move
?
$$B
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Forced?
$$W
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Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 10:44 pm
by EdLee
$$Wm52 Prisoners: :b1:
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Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee
Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 9:08 am
by LexC
$$Bm53 Prisoners: :b1:
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Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:18 am
by EdLee
$$Wm54 Prisoners: :b1:
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Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee
Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:22 am
by emeraldemon
Re: 165 LexC vs EdLee
Posted: Mon Jun 25, 2012 11:39 am
by jts
is possible but White gets squeezed and hurts his stones on the right. After a-b-c, Black will throw-in left of 
, then play 'd'.
. According to Ishida: One should push on the side one cuts. 'a' and 'b' are Miai and the situation is out of control - but seems ladder-dependent.
extend seems to be from what I remember in Ishida.
ponnuki,
, and because
W gets a broken shape. Then, (a) and (b) direction miai?
?