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Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 7:07 am
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . O . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . W O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
it is getting complicated all over...will resolve one by one...and hope i can multi task.

Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 1:41 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
This is getting complicated. I'll have to think a bit. It may be a few days.

Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

Posted: Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:37 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . O . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . B . X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't want to become heavy. This stays light and flexible, threatening to invade deep into his territory by extending northward, or start a capturing race by extending eastward.
Also, I'm taking the one point that he wants to prevent both.

And...there are getas looming.

Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:46 am
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . O . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X W X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:19 am
by quantumf
obs,
I didn't understand Joaz's last move. MW's response seems obvious and painful to black. Was black trying too hard to use those stones too early?

Wasn't it time for a big move, perhaps something like E3?

What am I missing?

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:46 am
by EdLee
quantumf,
Perhaps misunderstanding of shapes, of sabaki; problems in reading/fighting skills -- common problems around this level.

Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:49 am
by topazg
I agree, Black's last move made me cringe a bit. He's fixed so many of White's local problems for him.

Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:03 am
by Uberdude
Yeah, it sucks. Black's previous moves are meaningless now that white has connected his stick to safety. And it didn't even get much in return, black has to k12 now to make any sense of his last move but white could happily k15 or even tenuki. Maybe black could try k15 himself but that leaves a very dangerous cut.

Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:57 am
by Bill Spight
That's one of my problems giving handicaps. I don't read my opponent's mistakes. ;)

Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:15 am
by skydyr
for Bill Spight and observers
Bill Spight wrote:That's one of my problems giving handicaps. I don't read my opponent's mistakes. ;)

You don't read them before they make them, or after?

Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:18 am
by Bill Spight
@skydyr

Afterwards there is nothing to read.

Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:49 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . O . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . B O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


One of the nice things about making this turn is that I can play R10 and secure the upper right side without losing stones in the middle:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . O . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . B O O O O . O 1 . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X 4 . 2 3 . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . 5 X 6 , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The eventual goal is to threaten to get a deep invasion:

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[go]$$Wcm1 2 is sente
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$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . 9 7 . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . O 6 5 X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . 8 0 4 1 O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 3 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . B O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
...
and then settle for a wall.

EDIT: I had a slight mis-read. 2 is not sente. Nonetheless, the same general scheme works - I think.

Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 7:30 am
by Magicwand
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . O . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . W O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i thought about tenuki but...it will be too painful to lose points and thickness in sente.
i will cash my check now and see what he will do.

Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:05 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . O . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . B . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


The beginning of the aforementioned net. I'll lose some of the stones here of course, but while he is playing whack-a-mole trying to get them, I'll be stealing his territory up against the side, or capturing his 12th rank group. It depends upon which mole he goes after. :rambo:

Re: #197 Magicwand vs Joaz Banbeck

Posted: Fri Jan 25, 2013 5:36 am
by Magicwand
N14
Click Here To Show Diagram Code
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: none
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$$ | . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . O . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X , . . O . . X . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . O O O X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O X W . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O O O O . O . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . X X X X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . X . , X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O O X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . O . O O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . X . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
hum...i think i have some weakness there but.. i dont know how to fix it yet.
going with the flow and see what other mistakes my opponent makes will tell me what path to take.