[go]$$Wcm60 Move 60. Points from prisoners: W 0, B 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X . X X O . | $$ | . . O X X O O . . , . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . | $$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X X . O . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Let's see what happens. This should be interesting. I also considered going one space higher. That seems to lead to an entirely different game. But I'm going to go with this and see what happens from here.
Re: 48. Dusk Eagle (2k) vs dfan (4k)
Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2010 5:55 am
by dfan
Sorry this move is delayed, work is still crazy, and you made a move I have to think about a lot
I'll have a move this weekend but probably not before.
Re: 48. Dusk Eagle (2k) vs dfan (4k)
Posted: Sat Jul 31, 2010 1:42 am
by Loons
$$Wcm60 Move 60. Points from prisoners: W 0, B 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . b b b b . . . . . . a a . . . . | $$ | . . O O b X O . . . . . . a a . . . . | $$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X a X X O b | $$ | a a O X X O O . . , . . . . . X O b b | $$ | a a X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O b | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O b b | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O b b b | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . b b b b | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . b b . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . | $$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X X . O . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | a a a a X . . . . . . . . X a a a a a | $$ | a a a a . . . . . . . . . . a a a a a | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm60 Move 60. Points from prisoners: W 0, B 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . b b b b . . . . . . a a . . . . | $$ | . . O O b X O . . . . . . a a . . . . | $$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X a X X O b | $$ | a a O X X O O . . , . . . . . X O b b | $$ | a a X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O b | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O b b | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O b b b | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . b b b b | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . b b . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . | $$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X X . O . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | a a a a X . . . . . . . . X a a a a a | $$ | a a a a . . . . . . . . . . a a a a a | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
This is my count; Black 29 White 24 NB because white's c5 wall lacks d6 or similar, I'm not happy calling anything there territory.
Offsetting the points a little, Black's P10 group seems the weakest group on the board, lacking any base-making potential, but for now at least seem to be happily out to the centre. The other regions of the board all seem to be hotly contested, with strength from both sides radiating towards the L17, c10 and to some extent j3 areas.
Anyway, I have some strategic and tactical thoughts on this situation.
Goals for black (who's turn it is) ; threaten to make the c5 group weak considering the aji of C6, with the goal of making a large left side, potentially blighting white's c12, which I feel was too deep. Maybe something like 1... B9 2. E9 3. F11.
Goals for white, strategically, because black is going to play something sente - I think are complex. Considering the potential cut at E15, I think white can aim at something interesting in the centre, ideally some kind of large scale roundabout attack (kill!) on the M9 group. Black will presumably make some compromises to ensure the group's life.
Pulling out N3 for white or catching it for black is an obvious massive point gote, larger than being the first to play on the top side, but I feel too slow for either side until the M10 group is resolved.
Hmm, on further reflection, I think that whatever black plays, white's cap at F10 will be an excellent next move for him.
Re: 48. Dusk Eagle (2k) vs dfan (4k)
Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2010 4:19 pm
by dfan
I lied - I had to work both days this weekend and I don't have the time and mental energy to move yet. Good thing you have another Malkovich game to play! I will try to pick this up in the near future.
Hooray for 12-day work weeks
Re: 48. Dusk Eagle (2k) vs dfan (4k)
Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2010 9:10 am
by Dusk Eagle
No worries. Hope you feel better soon.
Re: 48. Dusk Eagle (2k) vs dfan (4k)
Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 10:16 am
by dfan
$$Bcm61 Move 61. Points from prisoners: W 0, B 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X . X X O . | $$ | . . O X X O O . . , . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O 1 . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . | $$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X X . O . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm61 Move 61. Points from prisoners: W 0, B 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X . X X O . | $$ | . . O X X O O . . , . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O 1 . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . | $$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X X . O . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Finally having time to think about this position has exposed the unpleasant truth that I have no idea what I'm doing I really wasn't expecting this at all.
I don't think I can effectively cut off the stone White just placed, especially since he has a few interesting moves to discomfit my group in the upper left. So I'm attempting to reach out to that group while strengthening my stone in the middle. If I end up with a fourth-line wall I'll attempt to make use of it in the center afterwards; I don't think the time is too late for that influence to come in handy.
I'm feeling outplayed here but I have to remember that White has left a bunch of weaknesses behind, which I have the opportunity to exploit in the future.
Re: 48. Dusk Eagle (2k) vs dfan (4k)
Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 10:37 am
by Dusk Eagle
$$Wcm62 Move 62. Points from prisoners: W 0, B 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X . X X O . | $$ | . . O X X O O . . , . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . | $$ | . . 1 . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . | $$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X X . O . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bc $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X . X X O . | $$ | . . O X X O O . . , . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . | $$ | . . O 2 3 . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . 1 X a . . . . , . . . . X , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . | $$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X X . O . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
but I think that kind of thing only works when Black has a lot more support or is near a corner to have some more capturing ability. Here the cut at a looks way too dangerous.
Re: 48. Dusk Eagle (2k) vs dfan (4k)
Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:48 am
by Dusk Eagle
$$Wcm64 Move 64. Points from prisoners: W 0, B 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X . X X O . | $$ | . . O X X O O . . , . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . X . . X . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . 1 X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . | $$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X X . O . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm69 Moves 69-71. Points from prisoners: W 0, B 0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O O . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . X X O O X O . . . . . . X . X X O . | $$ | . . O X X O O . . , . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . X 1 O X . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . . . 2 . . . . . . . . . X . O . . | $$ | . . 3 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . . . . . . X X . . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . , . . . . X , . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . X . X . . O . . | $$ | . . O O X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . O . . . . . . | $$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . O O . . . . . . . X . X . . O O . . | $$ | . X O O O . . . . , . . . X . , X . . | $$ | . X X X . O . . . . . O . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . X . . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Well, that's pretty sente.
It sucks to give White all this on top (and to lose some possible territory myself), but at least I am getting C13 in, which gives me some more nice possibilities on the left.
Of course White can't do this:
$$Wc $$ ------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . O O . X O . . $$ | . X X O O X O . . $$ | . . O X X O O . . $$ | . . X X O X . . . $$ | . . . 3 O 4 . . . $$ | . . X 1 2 . . . . $$ | . . O X . . . . . $$ | . . O X . . . . . $$ | . . O X . . . . . $$ | . . . X . . . . .
[go]$$Wc $$ ------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . O O . X O . . $$ | . X X O O X O . . $$ | . . O X X O O . . $$ | . . X X O X . . . $$ | . . . 3 O 4 . . . $$ | . . X 1 2 . . . . $$ | . . O X . . . . . $$ | . . O X . . . . . $$ | . . O X . . . . . $$ | . . . X . . . . .[/go]
or this:
$$Wc $$ ------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . O O . X O . . $$ | . X X O O X O . . $$ | . . O X X O O . . $$ | . . X X O X . . . $$ | . . 2 1 O 4 . . . $$ | . . X 3 . . . . . $$ | . . O X . . . . . $$ | . . O X . . . . . $$ | . . O X . . . . . $$ | . . . X . . . . .
[go]$$Wc $$ ------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . O O . X O . . $$ | . X X O O X O . . $$ | . . O X X O O . . $$ | . . X X O X . . . $$ | . . 2 1 O 4 . . . $$ | . . X 3 . . . . . $$ | . . O X . . . . . $$ | . . O X . . . . . $$ | . . O X . . . . . $$ | . . . X . . . . .[/go]
so I expect this:
$$Wc $$ ------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . O O . X O . . $$ | . X X O O X O . . $$ | . . O X X O O . . $$ | . . X X O X . . . $$ | . . . . O . . . . $$ | . . X 2 1 . . . . $$ | . . O X . . . . . $$ | . . O X . . . . . $$ | . . O X . . . . . $$ | . . . X . . . . .
[go]$$Wc $$ ------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . O O . X O . . $$ | . X X O O X O . . $$ | . . O X X O O . . $$ | . . X X O X . . . $$ | . . . . O . . . . $$ | . . X 2 1 . . . . $$ | . . O X . . . . . $$ | . . O X . . . . . $$ | . . O X . . . . . $$ | . . . X . . . . .[/go]
after which this works if he doesn't do something to protect it:
$$Bc $$ ------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . O O . X O . . $$ | . X X O O X O . . $$ | . . O X X O O . . $$ | . . X X O X . . . $$ | . . . . O . . . . $$ | . . X X O . . . . $$ | . . O X . . . . . $$ | . . O X . . . . . $$ | . . O X . . . . . $$ | . 2 1 X . . . . . $$ | . 3 O O X . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . X . . . . . . $$ | . O O . . . . . .
[go]$$Bc $$ ------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . O O . X O . . $$ | . X X O O X O . . $$ | . . O X X O O . . $$ | . . X X O X . . . $$ | . . . . O . . . . $$ | . . X X O . . . . $$ | . . O X . . . . . $$ | . . O X . . . . . $$ | . . O X . . . . . $$ | . 2 1 X . . . . . $$ | . 3 O O X . . . . $$ | . . . . . . . . . $$ | . . X . . . . . . $$ | . O O . . . . . .[/go]
so I think he has to play a protecting move, which could give me the opportunity to erase the territory he's making around E6, or nullify the wall he's building up top facing right, or finally swallow that stone on the bottom, or finally attack his upper right group...
I really wasn't expecting this at all.
is a tesuji that lets him connect.
and I will fall apart.
, give him some real territory, and nullify the influence I just built up.