[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X X O B X O X . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Wow... I feel like I'm playing a kyu player who doesn't know what he wants.
I had so much aji around here... now I have none.
The word of the day is impugnity. i.e. I'm gonna attack you. With impugnity.
Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:41 pm
by daniel_the_smith
Wow, this is a fascinating game (mostly the comments). They obviously have very different styles and/or strengths/weaknesses since they're both 3d+ and don't think much of the other's moves.
Personally, I think Magicwand's "thickness" looks like a weak group. But we'll see, I guess...
Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:43 pm
by Magicwand
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O W O O . . X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:51 pm
by Chew Terr
$$Bcm1 Would it be unreasonable for black to jump out to weaken that white group? $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O W O O . . X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . B . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |
[go]$$Bcm1 Would it be unreasonable for black to jump out to weaken that white group? $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O W O O . . X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . B . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . |[/go]
(to here, or farther) Or would this force white to fix some of his problems, like supporting the left?
Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 1:52 pm
by fwiffo
Gote move is gote. I think.
Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 2:05 pm
by Violence
Someone needs to teach this guy the difference between a thick wall and a heavy group.
Alright, back to work for me. The move will come tomorrow.
Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)
Posted: Tue Jun 15, 2010 5:29 pm
by Joaz Banbeck
topazg wrote:Hmmm, don't like that one. Black's totally alive, and that's not sente. I'd prefer a lighter move:
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O . O O . . X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . W . 1 . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Overall, I think that Magicward's arrogance has caught up with him. If Violence can curb his bloodlust and not insist on killing this, I think that he can chase it with great profit.
All he has to do is just stick out there to mess with white's eye space and make running difficult...
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O O . . X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 4 . 2 . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 5 . 3 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O O . . X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 4 . 2 . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . 5 . 3 . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Then establish a picket line across the middle to take a game-winning moyo as he chases white.
Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 5:26 am
by Magicwand
it seems that comment implies that people think that white is in bad shape. i dont see any move that really threaten my group. if black try to attack my group he will be sorry. i really feel comfortable at this stage of the game. and also i think i see a move that he doesnt which will distroy his will to fight. i will post that later.
Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 5:33 am
by topazg
To Joaz:
The point of light is to sacrifice. The cut at "c" is uninteresting at the moment. I would prefer this:
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O c O O . . X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . b a . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . b 1 . W . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O c O O . . X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . W . 1 . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . 2 . 3 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
As Black can make a big moyo on the right just as easily. The cut at "c" means that the three stones are now heavy, whereas in the previous diagram they were light. Just planning to run away is far too timid here for White in my opinion.
Re: 49. Magicwand(3d) vs Violence(?d)
Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2010 10:13 am
by Violence
I still have a bit of aji, so let's proceed steadily.
$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O O . . X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . B . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X X . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . O X O X X O . X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X . X O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . O O O O . . X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
everytime he try to attack me he will lose points.. i think i can get more than 10 points in the middle. below are the points that i wanna go in priority sequence. and aji i talked about before. it will not work now but..if i can get to 'a' to make sure he doesnt have a way out...it will be deadly aji.
$$Wcm1 Prisoners: W=1, B=0 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . X X 2 1 3 . . 6 . . . | $$ | . . . . . O . . O X 4 X X O 5 X O . . | $$ | . . . O . . . X X O X X O X 7 X O O . | $$ | . . b . . . . . . O O O O . . X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . a . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . c . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . | $$ | . . O . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O X O . . . | $$ | . . . O . . . . X , . . . X . , O . . | $$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . X O . . | $$ | . . . d . . . . . . . . . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
ruins white's shape, threatens to enclose at 'a or 'b's, and threatens to cut at 'c'.