55. Kie (3d) vs The Pilgrim (3k)

Kie · Post by **Kie** » Tue Jun 22, 2010 1:42 pm

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I'll just grab the cash with a shape that has minimum aji, with bottom dead group, white is starting to catch up to black in terms of territory, and black still has two weak groups, so this is starting to look quite good.

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If black goes for greed, I will harass his shape at (a), I guess black will (a) directly or try something like (b) or (c). I'll just push and make more thickness if black (b), (c) seems like overplay so then I will fight hard.

Kie · Post by **Kie** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 3:46 am

Some more thoughts:

I guess I can look at his left group while waiting:

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In terms of pure eyespace, black doesn't seem to have enough locally, so whatever chance black has will relate to the aji in the center.

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Blocking the center doesn't seem to work since (a) gives life now. However, getting the outside thickness is worth a lot in itself so this isn't too bad for white.

White can let bottom live:

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White should gain like this because it also removes the endgame move at (a). Adding the centerinfluens, this would be a happy deal for white.

Since all these variations are painful for black, I would assume that breaking out is what black should try:

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(a) or (b) probably, but when we run along in the center, the top group is getting pressured, white should thus still have the initiative and be able to attack that group and later switch to (c) or (d).

The Pilgrim · Post by **The Pilgrim** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:09 am

With the recent really worst shitty news of my all life, I won't finish this game. And I won't play Go for a really long time I think...

Life sucks

really sucks...

sry for this

goodbye all

Nakamura · Post by **Nakamura** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:16 am

Sorry to hear that, The Pilgrim. I hope you can keep your head up during these rough times, that's what counts! I don't know what is going on, so I can only offer general advice, but I hope everything turns out ok for you.

Kie · Post by **Kie** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 11:54 am

Take care

KGS 4 kyu · Post by **fwiffo** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 12:06 pm

Man, it seems like there are a lot of forum members taking it in the pants lately.

Wish you the best...

Violence · Post by **Violence** » Wed Jun 23, 2010 2:09 pm

Whoa... that was abrupt. Good luck in your endeavors, Pilgrim.

The Pilgrim · Post by **The Pilgrim** » Fri Jul 09, 2010 8:36 am

I just came back for explanation and just to be sure there's no misunderstanding (I wrote my previously message without thinking a lot). The bad news was, as said in the beginning of this thread, that I should have been dad but it seems that god (if there is one) chose another way for my daughter, who died about 2 weeks ago with no explanation.
I won't stop Go as I said before (well, Go helps me to go on) but life doesn't have the same taste now...

Thanks all for your messages.

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » Fri Jul 09, 2010 9:06 am

My deepest condolences. As a father, the idea of what you're going through terrifies me.

unkx80 · Post by **unkx80** » Fri Jul 09, 2010 10:00 pm

I'm really sorry to hear about that. I can only hope that your life gets better from here.

Tryphon · Post by **Tryphon** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 3:42 pm

I express sympathy from the bottom of my heart.

My wife and I are waiting for our first child for November and we had great fear of losing him those last four weeks (it's not completely won yet, but hopes are much bigger). We wish you to recover happiness, by one way or another...

Kirby · Post by **Kirby** » Thu Jul 29, 2010 4:01 pm

I cannot say anything to make the situation better, but I can only say that I am sorry for your loss.

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