Re: Studying Go in China
Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2014 10:36 pm
Forcing move gaining you something no matter what reminds me of an essay about the actual meaning of kikashi on a go blog I read a while ago.
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Hi Hushfield,Hushfield wrote:"A forcing move will gain you something, even if your opponent answers. A crude move won't,"
I think you mean this from Antti Törmänen: http://gooften.net/essays/kikashi-taking-advantage/ ?Abyssinica wrote:Forcing move gaining you something no matter what reminds me of an essay about the actual meaning of kikashi on a go blog I read a while ago.
SoDesuNe wrote:Hushfield
I guessis not as good because it metaphorically bumps your (stone's) head against the wall (costing you liberties) and indirectly leading to a situation where you allowed your opponent to Hane at the top of two stones, which is bad shape.
If I'm not mistaken the "correct" way to cut here would be wedging at Q6 and then attaching at S6. It is also Sente because White's corner group still has to make life.
I think you mean this from Antti Törmänen: http://gooften.net/essays/kikashi-taking-advantage/ ?Abyssinica wrote:Forcing move gaining you something no matter what reminds me of an essay about the actual meaning of kikashi on a go blog I read a while ago.
And the debate is not just among amateurs. A good contrast is between the styles of Sakata and Takagawa. Sakata tended to play kikashi early, while Takagawa tended to wait. Since they played a number of games you can see the clash of styles pretty well.Knotwilg wrote:The debate about what is a forcing move has been going on for a long time
Outdated in that it contains wrong information? It still seems excellent to me, and there wasn't much in the way of modern joseki/fuseki research in there that could have changed in the last few years.Ten wrote:That essay is badly outdated though—nowadays I see no need to explain kikashi beyond translating it as a "good exchange".
And is totally misplaced. That is the nub of the problem.The debate about what is a forcing move has been going on for a long time
I just look at the pictures.SoDesuNe wrote:In the end asians really are naturally superior when it comes to Go. Not so much in terms of race but regarding their ability to read a language which does not confuse the aspiring Go player and teach him/her badly translated/defined concepts.
Learning an asian language gains two stones!
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Ha ha ha, Starcraft 2 BM? =DHushfield wrote:Let's just hope he steps on a lego (nothing personal) and that will be the end of it.