74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)

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Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)

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[go]$$Bcm1 Black to move
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . a b . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . . O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


In this position, what is better, a or b?

b is the standard way of attacking but I think I like a better.
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Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)

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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #75
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . B , . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X O O O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think if I can keep my bottom, left & top groups all alive, I actually stand a decent chance of winning.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #74
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . X 5 7 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . 3 . 4 6 0 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . 1 2 . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X W . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 8 9 X O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X O O O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Probably the way this will go: I will connect to the top left, white will capture my two stones & live, and possibly cut my 3 stones on the left & force them to live small.
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Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)

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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #76
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X W . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X O O O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i considered several moves in the area and i like this best, can't explain why. other moves:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . B , a b . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . x . X O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X O O O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

x was not an alternative, i want to play it as kikashi in any case, probably as the next move

possible continuation, this way i would be satisfied:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . 1 . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X W . 2 . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X O O O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i was worried about what if black will want to catch me, but i should be able to break out by some crazy sequence like this:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 3
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . B 8 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . 3 2 1 9 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X W 5 4 0 . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O 6 7 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X B . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X O O O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i would be able to capture 1 or one of the two marked black groups. if you are interested, i can elaborate further
Spilling gasoline feels good.

I might be wrong, but probably not.
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Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)

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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #77
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . B . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X O O O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I do actually think I'm still in this game, in spite of some terrible mistakes earlier.
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Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)

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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #78
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . W . X O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X O O O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

black played the most submissive move, could it be that i scared him? at the beginning he seemed to be very brave.

not much to say about my move, only that there is a proverb... "kikashi before you forget". and it should be better than if black played there

note just before submitting: black looks almost surrounded and eyeless. if i will be able to stabilize my center group skillfuly enough, i might get some good profit out of it
Spilling gasoline feels good.

I might be wrong, but probably not.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #78
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O B X O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X O O O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Obvious move. White can give some trouble on the left now:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #78
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . 7 4 6 . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 2 . . O 1 X O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 5 . . O . X O O O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think I'm ok. Then there's the right:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #78
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . 3 4 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . X 2 6 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X 7 5 . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O 1 X O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X O O O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I have enough liberties now to make the capturing race favorable to me, So white has to be very careful to play this way. I think more likely he'll just threaten the cut:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #78
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . X 3 5 7 9 . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . 2 4 6 8 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X O . . . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O 1 X O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X O O O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm pushing from behind, but eventually I link up to the top right & white lives inside.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #79
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X O . W . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X O O O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

not much to comment, i can think only of this move and possibly L12 for my center group and i believe it is certain i cannot leave it as it stands

i realised my bottom position is cuttable, luckily it does not much harm, as i would be able to conect to top...
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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #78
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . X . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X O . W . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X O O O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O 7 . . O O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X 5 3 4 X X X O O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . 1 O 6 . O O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O 2 . O . . . . . . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Spilling gasoline feels good.

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Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)

Post by FlameBlade »

I hope Laman is also studying the aji around the top. I think black can make use of that aji to either break into top or to secure a big center...cut is very severe due to the possible resulting fights. It may be possible that white has too much on his plate at this moment...
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Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)

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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #81
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . X . B . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X O O O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I spent a really long time trying to decide if I can reinforce the left in sente. I think the short answer is no. I wanted to play like this:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #79
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . X . 3 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X O . W . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . 2 . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 . O X X O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X O O O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Building the left side in sente. The question is what happens if W blocks on the right instead:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #79
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . X . 2 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X O . W . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 4 3 . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . 1 5 O X X O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X O O O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


It's a really complicated fight & I won't bore you with the variations. But In the end I think I can't live unless White splits the left anyway, defeating the whole purpose.
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Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)

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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #82
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . X . X W . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X O O O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i feel too sleepy to give many explanations. i play this because i couldn't be very proud of myself if i just went for the two stones below and because i want to believe this move works and because i think i can back up well enough in case it doesn't. see you tomorrow

FlameBlade: thank you, good to see a new comment again (no matter i am not allowed to read it)
Spilling gasoline feels good.

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Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)

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Sorry for the delay, I had to think some about this one

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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #82
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . B . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . X . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X O O O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #82
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . 1 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . X . X W . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . 5 . X O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 4 3 . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X O O O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I'm fairly certain I can live this way no matter how W plays.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #82
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . 1 2 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . X . X W . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . 4 . X O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 5 3 . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X O O O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)

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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #84
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . X W . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . X . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . X O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X O O O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

so far, so good. i hope black won't cut me too badly, but should be alright
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Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)

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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #85
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . X . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . 3 . X O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . 2 1 . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . O X X O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X O O O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


If you agree.

Same reasoning as last post.
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Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)

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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #88
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . X . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . X O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . W . . O X X O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X O O O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

black took gote in order to stabilize himself, which is good for me, but now i have two pretty urgent areas to play: left center and right center. left center because of the cutting sequence i showed earlier and right center because i think my group should be safe but i don't want to bet the game on it.

on the left, it is true that i should be able to connect to top if needed and in emergency i could sacrifice the two marked stones to stay connected and prevent my position from collapse, but it is all painful. i have a feeling black got a bit passive so i decided i could improve my position here in sente, limiting black's territory in the same time and then i would turn to the right

possible continuation:
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[go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . X . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . X O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 2 4 . O X . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 W . . O X X O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . O . X O O O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . 9 X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . 5 O 7 . O . . W W X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . 6 8 O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

i would like to reduce black more, but my position got thin in the fight, so i think i have to be satisfied with this

cut with 3 doesn't help black at all
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[go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 2
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . X . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . X O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 2 3 . O X . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 5 1 W . . O X X O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 4 6 . O . X O O O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

note: i should not forget about the cut at b F15... i found sequences which seemed to solve the situation as it was, but even if i don't mention possibility i could have been wrong, the position changed with last moves so i should be careful
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Re: 74. Laman (1d) vs. emeraldemon (3k)

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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #88
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . X . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . X O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O X . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . B O . . O X X O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . X O O O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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I thought I posted this already, I guess I forgot to hit submit :(

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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #88
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$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . X . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . X O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 2 4 . O X . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 1 W . . O X X O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 3 . . O . X O O O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I live.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #88
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X O . X . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . O X . . . O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . O . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . O . . X . . X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . X . . . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O . . O . . X . X O . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . X . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . X . X O . O . . . X . . . |
$$ | . . 5 . . O X . X O . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . 4 1 W . . O X X O X X . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . 2 3 . O . X O O O . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 6 . X . . . X X X . O . . . . X . . |
$$ | . 7 . . . O . . . O O . . . . X O . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . X X X O O O . . X O . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . O O X X X O X X O . . |
$$ | . . . O . . O . . . . . . X X O O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I don't think the cut works
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