84. Laman (1d) vs. Dusk Eagle (1d)

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Re: 84. Laman (1d) vs. Dusk Eagle (1d)

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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #62, B+1
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$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

well, rough score estimation showed me that the game is pretty much even, yet i cannot prevent myself from feeling behind. i should work on improving my self-consciousness and stamina (and positional judgment)

my move seeks for safety for my group and limits potential of the black group. i also considered K8, to strengthen my group in sente (expecting black J7) before jumping to L11, but black could just answer with something like L10 and i wouldn't achieve much that way.

black can play sequence b Q11, w R11, b Q10, w R10, pushing down my ogeima extension - i hated that on first sight, so i even considered playing P11 to prevent it. however, when i put the stones at the board, Q11 - Q10 are not really that useful and center is more important now

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[go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . a . . . . . . . e . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . d . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . X X . O . b . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . c . . . X . . . f . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

a + b + c - d - e - f + 6.5 = 21 + 25 + 15 - 25 - 12 - 32 + 6.5 = - 1.5
(my counting is definitely not precise, but i assume similar error for both sides, so the difference shouldn't be much off. and it is surely way better than my instinct)

PS: when i am reluctant to post a move and write only short or no comments, it is usually because i feel bad about the game (no surprise)
Spilling gasoline feels good.

I might be wrong, but probably not.
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Re: 84. Laman (1d) vs. Dusk Eagle (1d)

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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #63 B+1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , B . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

At first I was thinking about tenukiing, but I felt the attack white could pull off on my group would profit him too much. So, I then thought about running some more, perhaps at :b1: below.

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[go]$$Bcm1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . 1 . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

But, when I analyzed it further, it felt like he could pull ahead in the game if I played like that.

Then, I noticed I could cut him directly by playing here. Below are a few variations, all of which seem good for me.

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . 1 X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . 3 2 . X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 4 O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

He dies like this.

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . W . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . 2 B . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . 1 O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Cuts through his stone, making it a bad exchange.

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . 1 X . . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . 6 4 2 . X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 5 3 O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Cuts right through his two stones, making them look bad.

We'll see what he does to avoid these results.
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Re: 84. Laman (1d) vs. Dusk Eagle (1d)

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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #64 B+1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X W . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . . X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

come on, did i mess up even such a simple thing like a two space jump?

i surely don't want to let black divide my stones - or at least i want to take care of both my groups. this should hopefully work in some mad and complicated way...

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[go]$$Bcm1 Diagram 1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O 4 . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . 3 X W . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . 2 1 X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

then i plan to survive with both resulting groups. anyway, the game goes really bad in my opinion, though i don't see any big mistake i did (only some dubious moves). maybe it would be better to take few days off and return with a clear mind - at DGS, it usually helps me. but i don't want to do it because we have no clock here, so it wouldn't be very fair to prolong the game without reason
Spilling gasoline feels good.

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Re: 84. Laman (1d) vs. Dusk Eagle (1d)

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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #65 B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . . B X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 84. Laman (1d) vs. Dusk Eagle (1d)

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One move you didn't read and you don't comment. Shame!
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Re: 84. Laman (1d) vs. Dusk Eagle (1d)

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Sorry hyperpape :). I actually did read this move out a bit, but I only have so much space and energy, that I can't list everything.

Anyway, I considered this move to be automatic. If he were allowed to connect, my last move would have been stupid and pointless. As for what I expect now, I'm thinking it will probably go like this:

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[go]$$Wcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O 3 . 4 . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . 2 X O . . . b . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . a . 1 X X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

I haven't yet read out if :b4: at 'a' works. For now, I'll assume it doesn't, because he probably wouldn't have played this way if it does. But I will definitely look at it once he responds. I'd look at it now but I don't really have time. :b4: at 'b' is another option as well.
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Re: 84. Laman (1d) vs. Dusk Eagle (1d)

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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #66 B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , X O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . W X X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

following diagram from the previous move. i finally bought last presents this afternoon, and my mind is calmer and brighter than it was in the morning.
Spilling gasoline feels good.

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Re: 84. Laman (1d) vs. Dusk Eagle (1d)

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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #67 B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . B X O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O X X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 84. Laman (1d) vs. Dusk Eagle (1d)

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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #68 B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O W . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O X X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
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Re: 84. Laman (1d) vs. Dusk Eagle (1d)

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Am I missing something, or is this outcome horrible for white?

e: Apparently not as horrible as I first thought, but I still don't like it
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Re: 84. Laman (1d) vs. Dusk Eagle (1d)

Post by Kayres »

there are some really difficult branches about if a is working or not, involving ladders and semeai and more. so it can get complicated and violent. but i think i have read out a sequence where black can just close white perfectly in in gote.
a is really interesting :D

Edit:
I read a works. No chance for w to come out if b plays correctly :/. This game could soon be over I guess.

But maybe I am wrong. I hope so, to be frank :P
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Re: 84. Laman (1d) vs. Dusk Eagle (1d)

Post by Joaz Banbeck »

It is 5 vs 5 liberties. So the immediate temptation is to try to win the race. But both liberty-filling processes are fraught with tactical complications. White can make external moves like the circled stone which threaten to extract his group and later become the van of an invasion. ( Black can do the same BTW )
I think that this latest cut is a game winner for black, and he has no need of taking the risk of a such a complex semeai. Even if he wins, white can get a wall and leave the semeai with sente:

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[go]$$Wc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . 1 . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X O @ @ . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . W . # O X X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . # O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . # O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I think that it is a much surer win for black to protect his group like this:

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[go]$$Bc
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O W B . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O X X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

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Re: 84. Laman (1d) vs. Dusk Eagle (1d)

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I think Joaz makes very good points. Maybe attaching at R11 would be a good way to do this?
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Re: 84. Laman (1d) vs. Dusk Eagle (1d)

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Jedo wrote:
I think Joaz makes very good points. Maybe attaching at R11 would be a good way to do this?

I like that idea, but following the proverb of 'attache to strong stones, not weak stones', I'd go for Q10. Then white has to fear a well-timed P7.
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Re: 84. Laman (1d) vs. Dusk Eagle (1d)

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Merry Christmas everyone!

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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #69 B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X O . . . B . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O X X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

My goal here is to exploit aji in order to solidify my connection so that I can use sente to run with this group, rather than jumping out immediately and letting white cut me apart.

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . 6 X X O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . 1 4 O X X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 2 3 O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . 5 O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . 6 X X O . . . , . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . 2 3 O X X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . 1 4 O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . 5 O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Both of these alternative moves I could have tried fail.

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[go]$$Bcm1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . a b 4 . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X O . c 3 1 2 . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O X X X 5 O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . 6 . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

This is one way that the game could go. :b5: feels incredibly crude, but it is necessary to prevent the white 'a' - black 'b' - white 'c' - black :b3: - white :b5: cut.

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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #68 B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . 5 4 . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X O . 3 2 1 . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O X X X . O . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X . O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

If he plays :w2:, I will probably play :b3:. This is another move that feels crude, but I think it is good in this case because of the aji below:

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[go]$$Bcm1 Move #68 B+1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X O O X O . . . . O . . X . . . . |
$$ | . . X X O O . . . , . . . . . , X . . |
$$ | . . X O . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . O . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . X W . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . X X O . X W X . . . |
$$ | . . X . . . . . . . O X X X 5 O 6 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O O X . 3 4 . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . X O . O X 1 O . . . |
$$ | . . O . . . . . . . O O X O O 2 O . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . X X . X X O O X . . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . , . . X . X O X . . |
$$ | . . . . . X . . . . . . . X . X O O . |
$$ | . . . O . . . . . . . . . . X X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

And he won't want to see those two stones captured. When I think about shape, I think this variation feels bad, but other voices in my head tell me it is fine, so I'm listening to them. Let's see what happens.
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