Life In 19x19

hyperpape wrote:Sadly, Sensei's is not creative commons. Creative commons did not exist (or wasn't ubiquitous) when Sensei's was started, so it uses an older license that is incompatible. Given the amount of content on there, it is likely that it will never be possible to mass import Sensei's content to any other site.

It is possible to dual-license your own content so that it can be added to Sensei's.

License incompatibility is a real shame, in my opinion.

I don't believe license incompatibility is a problem. It becomes when there is so much bad practice around that someone may start to contemplate sueing someone else. But before anything like this happens the social cost of the bad practice would be by far more damaging than any legal issues would be.

And you don't need to dual license or any fancy legal stuff, when you can put your own stuff on several pages. This happened to a lot of Joseki material original on SL, which is now on Josekipedia too. Afaik this is due to Andre Engels who was very active in this area of SL participated on Josekipedia. What all pages are lacking however, is feedback going in both directions. They add variations on Josekipedia, on SL there are some additions and changes too, but basically they remain distinct after the initial input, nobody bothers to edit at the other place. Even where the contributors do overlap like SL and L19, there is very limited spillover.

From the SL point of view, relying on outside links too heavily has one major downside (and it has been pointed out as a problem of SL in this thread). All those links to the interesting XY discussion on godiscussions, articles on gobase or your now abandoned blog around the corner are now without value to either all (godiscussion) or the majority (gobase) of readers. I have no doubt when linking to the BGA page for their book reviews, they will stay online, but many other - mainly the individual - pages are far from sure to survive.

At least under Creative Commons individual clauses can be waived. So the share alike clause could be waived as a special case for Sensei's.

I'm surprised about this though. Admittedly I never looked into exactly what license Sensei's was using, I just assumed it must be Commons because I kept seeing wholesale reproduction of Sensei's material on Wikipedia. In a way it's stupid problem to have if everyone is happy to share Go knowledge. Can the license be updated to make it more compatible with other sites?

Social control is by far more effective than legal means in such a small demographic as the English-language Go-player internet that is spread over half the world. It also makes for much lesser overhead costs (lawyer expenses etc. etc.)

When the basic idea is not to copy wholesale but to make an extract of content available elsewhere, then the resulting text isn't under the original license anyway. If there are wholesale copies anywhere it is more often because the original author either explicitly allowed it or he does it himself. Other kind of copy/inspiration/spillover likely takes more the form of [sl=EndgameTesuji14]EndgameTesuji14[/sl], for sure you refer out of courtesy, but the thing taken (a tesuji) is hardly licensable.

SL looks like a remnant of the 80's. Anyone ever thought about making a more modern wiki-page about Go?
F.ex. one could use interactive EidoGo diagrams.

Masamune84 wrote:SL looks like a remnant of the 80's.

Did you use many web-based wikis in the 80s?

Well, Go itself looks like a remnant from the Stone Age, no?