109. Loons vs. Kirby

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Re: 109. Loons vs. Kirby

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I feel I am ahead by a good amount, and have confidence with this board. I should simply play solidly, and avoid any trickiness.

I'll take a bit of time to think about how to do this, though.
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Re: 109. Loons vs. Kirby

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[go]$$Wcm46 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Well, I will think more after his next move. I don't think extra thinking will rationally make me select a different move in this position.
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Re: 109. Loons vs. Kirby

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[go]$$Wcm46 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . |
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$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I guess I should explain my recent moves in a little more detail. I could have played a directly territorial move of some kind, but... Anyway these two diagrams ought to capture my decision making process.

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[go]$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . |
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$$ {AR R9 P11}[/go]

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[go]$$Wcm1 What a brilliant diagram this is
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$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ {AR O10 N16}
$$ {AR F17 N16}[/go]


And conventional wisdom: When you want to be aggressive in one direction, borrow strength from the other.
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Re: 109. Loons vs. Kirby

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I'm kind of thinking of playing M16, but white has been getting a lot of central influence with his past couple of moves... M16 might be OK, but what do I do about the power he is generating? The left is still somewhat unsettled, and his power in the center is getting greater.

What should I do?
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Re: 109. Loons vs. Kirby

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[go]$$Wcm46 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O 0 O . . X . . . |
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$$ | . . X X . . . . O . . . O . . X . X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . O O . . X O O X . |
$$ | . . O , . . . X . X O X O O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . X X X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


There's nothing I can do about his influence right now. I'll just have to be patient.

Uh-juhr-soo-upda.
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Re: 109. Loons vs. Kirby

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for obs only:
Kirby wrote:There's nothing I can do about his influence right now. I'll just have to be patient.

Uh-juhr-soo-upda.

what influence???
incomplete influence with many weakness is an effective influence.
there is nothing in the middle for white.
let me fastforward the possible sequence.
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[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . a 5 . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O b , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
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$$ | . . X X . . . . O . . . O . . X . X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . O O . . X O O X . |
$$ | . . O , . . . X . X O X O O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . X X X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

black needs to play at 4 or somewhere close.
then white will throw a probe at 5 asking a or b.
this is a move that is very hard to answer.
white can not giveup one stone.. if he try to save it then his middle will become weak.
black's sequence above is very smooth and natural.
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Re: 109. Loons vs. Kirby

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[go]$$Wcm57 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . 2 X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . 3 1 . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . O X . . . . . . O O . . X O O X . |
$$ | . . O , . . . X . X O X O O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . X X X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I was tempted to leave a cut, but I will be happier later without it.
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Re: 109. Loons vs. Kirby

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Well, I have solid territory for the most part. The only stones of mine that are unsettled are the ones on the left.

I am worried about his influence in the center. I feel like I can try to do something about it, now. The question is, what is a good move to do so?

I am feeling like leaving the left stones as they are, and just trying to use them in some non-territorial way. That's because it's not clear to me how to fix the left and turn it into territory in a single sequence.

Anyway, Loon's main prospect in this game is, I believe, his influence. So I need to find a way to counter that.

Hmmm...
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Re: 109. Loons vs. Kirby

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Oh, yeah. I forgot to say, Loons. I accept your trigger. :-p
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Re: 109. Loons vs. Kirby

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[go]$$Wcm57 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . O . . . O . . X . X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . O O . . X O O X . |
$$ | . . O , . . . X . X O X O O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . X X X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]

Split! Attack! Fight!...?
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Re: 109. Loons vs. Kirby

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[go]$$Wcm57 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . X X . . . . O . . . O . 5 X . X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . O O . . X O O X . |
$$ | . . O , . . . X . X O X O O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . X X X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


I can only assume this move got better with a bit of aging.

Edit: I kinda thought he would play K17 directly. Now L17 looks supermassive. L17, D12, S16, I want 'em all. I want 'em all, and I want them now! (though really the song I am listening to is "I'm Going Slightly Mad"). Anyway I guess Kirby is going for a K.O. punch, confident in his reading against me. Lets see.

Edit 2: Oops, slight misread. Still should be fine.
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[go]$$Wcm57 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . O . . . O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . O O . 6 X O O X . |
$$ | . . O , . . . X . X O X O O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . X X X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Maybe I overplayed... Let's see what happens.
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Re: 109. Loons vs. Kirby

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[go]$$Wcm57 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . 7 . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . O . . . O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . O O . X X O O X . |
$$ | . . O , . . . X . X O X O O O X X O . |
$$ | . . . O . O . . . . X X X O X X O . O |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ ---------------------------------------[/go]


Erg, actually Kirby is getting annoyingly many points, I need more soon.
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Re: 109. Loons vs. Kirby

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[go]$$Wcm57 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1
$$ ---------------------------------------
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X X X . . . . . |
$$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X O . . X . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . |
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$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . |
$$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . X . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . |
$$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . |
$$ | . . X X . . . . O . . . O . O X . X . |
$$ | . . O X . . . . . . O O . X X O O X . |
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Taking his stones is kind of small. The benefit is, I can threaten to exploit other areas after the capture. For example, I could play the marked stone:
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However, that area is not urgent. The move I played just sticks out to me. It feels right.
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Re: 109. Loons vs. Kirby

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Kirby this is not the move I planned for you to play, what are you thinking, arghh
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