[go]$$Wcm46 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , 9 . O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . O . . . O . . X . X . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . O O . . X O O X . | $$ | . . O , . . . X . X O X O O O X X O . | $$ | . . . O . O . . . . X X X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I guess I should explain my recent moves in a little more detail. I could have played a directly territorial move of some kind, but... Anyway these two diagrams ought to capture my decision making process.
$$Wcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2 . . | $$ | . 1 . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . O . . . O . . X . X . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . O O . . X O O X . | $$ | . . O , . . . X . X O X O O O X X O . | $$ | . . . O . O . . . . X X X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ --------------------------------------- $$ {AR R9 P11}
[go]$$Wcm1 What a brilliant diagram this is $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . . X . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , . . . . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . O . . . O . . X . X . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . O O . . X O O X . | $$ | . . O , . . . X . X O X O O O X X O . | $$ | . . . O . O . . . . X X X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ --------------------------------------- $$ {AR O10 N16} $$ {AR F17 N16}[/go]
And conventional wisdom: When you want to be aggressive in one direction, borrow strength from the other.
Re: 109. Loons vs. Kirby
Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2011 5:30 pm
by Kirby
I'm kind of thinking of playing M16, but white has been getting a lot of central influence with his past couple of moves... M16 might be OK, but what do I do about the power he is generating? The left is still somewhat unsettled, and his power in the center is getting greater.
What should I do?
Re: 109. Loons vs. Kirby
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:04 am
by Kirby
$$Wcm46 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , O 0 O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . O . . . O . . X . X . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . O O . . X O O X . | $$ | . . O , . . . X . X O X O O O X X O . | $$ | . . . O . O . . . . X X X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm46 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . . X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , O 0 O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . O . . . O . . X . X . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . O O . . X O O X . | $$ | . . O , . . . X . X O X O O O X X O . | $$ | . . . O . O . . . . X X X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
There's nothing I can do about his influence right now. I'll just have to be patient.
Uh-juhr-soo-upda.
Re: 109. Loons vs. Kirby
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:17 am
by Magicwand
for obs only:
Kirby wrote:There's nothing I can do about his influence right now. I'll just have to be patient.
Uh-juhr-soo-upda.
what influence??? incomplete influence with many weakness is an effective influence. there is nothing in the middle for white. let me fastforward the possible sequence.
$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . 3 X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , O 1 O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 4 2 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . a 5 . O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O b , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . O . . . O . . X . X . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . O O . . X O O X . | $$ | . . O , . . . X . X O X O O O X X O . | $$ | . . . O . O . . . . X X X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Bcm1 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . 3 X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , O 1 O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 4 2 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . a 5 . O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O b , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . O . . . O . . X . X . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . O O . . X O O X . | $$ | . . O , . . . X . X O X O O O X X O . | $$ | . . . O . O . . . . X X X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
black needs to play at 4 or somewhere close. then white will throw a probe at 5 asking a or b. this is a move that is very hard to answer. white can not giveup one stone.. if he try to save it then his middle will become weak. black's sequence above is very smooth and natural.
Re: 109. Loons vs. Kirby
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:18 pm
by Loons
$$Wcm57 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . 2 X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 3 1 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . O . . . O . . X . X . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . O O . . X O O X . | $$ | . . O , . . . X . X O X O O O X X O . | $$ | . . . O . O . . . . X X X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm57 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . 2 X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . 3 1 . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . O . . . O . . X . X . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . O O . . X O O X . | $$ | . . O , . . . X . X O X O O O X X O . | $$ | . . . O . O . . . . X X X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I was tempted to leave a cut, but I will be happier later without it.
Re: 109. Loons vs. Kirby
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:23 pm
by Kirby
Well, I have solid territory for the most part. The only stones of mine that are unsettled are the ones on the left.
I am worried about his influence in the center. I feel like I can try to do something about it, now. The question is, what is a good move to do so?
I am feeling like leaving the left stones as they are, and just trying to use them in some non-territorial way. That's because it's not clear to me how to fix the left and turn it into territory in a single sequence.
Anyway, Loon's main prospect in this game is, I believe, his influence. So I need to find a way to counter that.
Hmmm...
Re: 109. Loons vs. Kirby
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:38 pm
by Kirby
Oh, yeah. I forgot to say, Loons. I accept your trigger. :-p
Re: 109. Loons vs. Kirby
Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:47 pm
by Kirby
$$Wcm57 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . 4 . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . O . . . O . . X . X . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . O O . . X O O X . | $$ | . . O , . . . X . X O X O O O X X O . | $$ | . . . O . O . . . . X X X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm57 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . O . . . O . 5 X . X . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . O O . . X O O X . | $$ | . . O , . . . X . X O X O O O X X O . | $$ | . . . O . O . . . . X X X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
I can only assume this move got better with a bit of aging.
Edit: I kinda thought he would play K17 directly. Now L17 looks supermassive. L17, D12, S16, I want 'em all. I want 'em all, and I want them now! (though really the song I am listening to is "I'm Going Slightly Mad"). Anyway I guess Kirby is going for a K.O. punch, confident in his reading against me. Lets see.
Edit 2: Oops, slight misread. Still should be fine.
Re: 109. Loons vs. Kirby
Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:18 am
by Kirby
$$Wcm57 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . O . . . O . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . O O . 6 X O O X . | $$ | . . O , . . . X . X O X O O O X X O . | $$ | . . . O . O . . . . X X X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------
[go]$$Wcm57 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 8 . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . O . . . O . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . . O O . X X O O X . | $$ | . . O , . . . X . X O X O O O X X O . | $$ | . . . O . O . . . . X X X O X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------[/go]
Taking his stones is kind of small. The benefit is, I can threaten to exploit other areas after the capture. For example, I could play the marked stone:
$$Wcm57 Prisoner Count: B-0 W-1 $$ --------------------------------------- $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . O . . O . . . . . X X X . . . . . | $$ | . . . , . . . . . , O X O . . X . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . O O . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . | $$ | . . . X . . . . . , . . . O . , . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . X . . . . . . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . O . . . . . | $$ | . . X X . . . . O . . . O . O X . X . | $$ | . . O X . . . . . B O O X X X O O X . | $$ | . . O , . . . X . X O X . . . X X O . | $$ | . . . O . O . . . . X X X . X X O . O | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . X X . O O . | $$ | . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . | $$ ---------------------------------------